electrolysys with horizontal plates

[c0mster]

I made one of those 4" x 8" PVC hydrogen generators. I had ran it but forgot to purge it. The ? nipple on top was open and a spark from the grinder flew past it? HOLY BOOM, good thing I didn?t glue the joints. 

Camster

[hartiberlin]

@Camster
feed enough air into the bubbler via an additional aquarium pump
and the gas will not be explosive anymore.
This is also better for the IC engine cylinders, as the
gas is again compressed in them and then it does
not "ring" anymore when the cylinders turn !
The normal oxyhydrogen gas is much too explosive
to feed it directly to the engine !
With mixing with air you also need less oxyhydrogen gas
from the electrolyzer.

Regards, Stefan.

[pg46]

Hi hartiberlin and the rest-

I like the idea of adding some air, reminds me of that New Zealand guy(forget his name just now) from years ago who came up with a similar system where he bubbled air through a series of electrolysers.
However... some guys who have done extensive experimenting running hydroxy through small 4 stroke ICEs say that the hydroxy gas is at a perfect burn ratio already at 2:1. They go on to say that in fact that they had to completely close off any additional air intake or else the engine wouldn not run at all !
So what do you think? Is there a difference if it's first bubbled through the electrolyser in comparison to the normal additonal air intake at the carborator? of course the air would now include some water vapor but wonder what other features it might have?
Then once the engine is running you could recycle the exhaust back through the bubbler again to recapture the water if you wanted too and then you wouldn't need an air pump at all would you? after all the exhaust would be very clean

PS - good work Walter - look forward to hearing more. Now we need the amps/gas volumes if you could-thanks!

[Liberty]

If you are not already, I would suggest that the gas be fed to the carb through a metal or aluminum screen.  If there is a flash back or back fire, the fine mesh screen will help to conduct away the heat and lower the temperature below the burn point.  The screen will still allow the gas to pass through, while the screen may offer some protection from back fire.

Hope this helps.

Liberty

[Walter Hofmann]

Hi all
thats what I dont really understand how only the change from vertical to horizontal can change the whole water. It was allways my probleme that with the vertical version the water turned brown or black greenish what messed up the cell after a while.Some one has a Idea?
greetings
walt

Hmm, why the water does not turn brown with the horizontal
version I also don?t understand.
Walter is all the water in both cells seawater with some KOH added ?
Or was it destilled water ?

Maybe you can still install a sucking pump on the gas output, so
you always have a lower pressure inside the electrolyzer box.
This will probably double or tripple your gas output at the same
input power level !
Also mix the gas output with enough air behind the bubler or inside
the bubbler with an aquarium pump, that also goes into the bubbler,
then you don?t have so much explosive gas, but it will
burn also better in the IC engine, cause it is there again
compressed in the cylinders.
Also via the mixing with enough air you will get much more
gas all in all. This should then be enough to run your engine.

Hi stefan and all,
thats the crazy thing on this, the water is from my well but it does not matter what kind I use it is allways the same result, in this case for demonstration i used my regular tap water from my house. I used 1/2 gallon and added a 1/4 teaspoon of KOH ( 93% pure) mixed it till the KOH was dissolved and pured in both chambers from the sam mixture. the contactivity was 2400 TDS what gives 3.73 mS/cm.
I did a short test with a 500ml plastic bottle like you have recommended stefan and it took 70 sec till the water from the bottle was out, what means the cell generates about 1/2 liter every 1 minute, the pressure on the bubbler was 0,75 psi on the gauge. I dont know right now how much I need to run the generator engine 5 and 12 horse power.
I will try the aquarium pump version and see if this works.
The picture shows the cells 16 hr after shut down and there can be seen on the left side where the vertical cells are the thick brown resedue on the bottom and the brownish water, where on the left side there is pretty much nothing.
I will try to post another short video from a comparisson of both plates in horizontal.
greetings
walt