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PostPosted: Mon 17 Jul, 2006    Post subject: Vandusen Bessler wheel replication    Reply with quote View IP address of poster
I have signed NDA with Mr.Vandusen and I have seen his
videos and also the selfstarting of his 6 foot wheel
and it is really amazing !
I think he has really replicated the Bessler wheel and this
is really running from gravity alone ! Amazing !
Check out:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1230.msg10095.html#msg10095

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NOW YOU KNOW THE REST OF THE STORY........!!!!!!!!
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[nightwynd]

@ Camster - I have no problems with negative statements or arguments against a particular machine. What I don't agree with is groundless and baseless arguments. I can call anyone a fraud - but what does it prove? If I have no concrete proof of fraudlent claims or arguments why would I even try?

@racer - why are you now calling Stephan a fraud? Because he's been a part of another forum? It's the internet man! Anyone can be a member of a forum...this is not fraudlent - it's called INTEREST. It is becoming clear that your interest is to discredit people - my question is why?

Lets stop the flame wars - if there is proof that the wheel doesn't work - let's prove it. Logically and friendly like - throwing accusations around accomplishes nothing.

Sincerely - nightwynd.

[hartiberlin]

I had to become a member of your forum to view the pictures pictures are nothing new they been out for many years....!
the video is nothing new ....!
darrell has asked  me ,"if I knew of away to fake a video".....!
I've talked to them on the phone several times he still attempts to talk to me and other members of the other forum..
the the I just posted a more in-depth post asking you to remove my e-mail,I never gave you permission to post my e-mail address publicly.......

why did you remove my last post.....?
please remove me as a member of this forum,I will not associate with someone like you that censors or removes posts.....!

why did you violates the terms of use of his own forum.....!

and why did you feel it to be a necessity to post my e-mail address.....?

and go ahead send money to Darryl you deserve to lose it....!
you have been a member of bestseller's wheel.com for quite a while and don't tell me you have never seen the fraud warning about Darryl........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I'm not a kid i am49 years old,and you quite honestly know nothing about physics if you believe that contraption works.....!

Racer:
1. I did not remove any posting from you over here.

2. I removed your email address again, but you still hide behind your anonymity !

3. Darrel never asked me for money !

4.The guy with the username Clarkie  (Pete) on the besslerwheel.com forum did not cry,
when he lost 10.000 US$
and he also never posted the real sub-conditions, that was setup between him and Darrell,
the only guys that cried
are you and a few other guys from the besslerwheel forum.Why ? You were never involved...??

Here are the postings by this guy Clarkie ( Pete) from the besslerwheel.com forum all in a row.


Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 8:22 am    Post subject: re: First prototype made   

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To all,
I have also signed an NDA and given Darrell $10,000 to prove to me his wheel works, I'm still waiting.

Pete.



Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 10:50 am    Post subject: re: First prototype made   

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I did as I believed Darrell was genuine.

The money was in monthly installments plus exceptionals such as a computer, digital camera and a new shed to house the new wheel that he decided to build at my cost.

Originally he was only going to clean up the existing wheel so we could show it to investors but he got carried away and built a new one that didn't work.

Thats life, I stopped paying him in July after he said "just another $1000 will see it through".

He gave up his job in March after I met him in Toronto as he was convinced it would only take 3 weeks to clean it up but after 4 months and a lot of money I still had nothing but promisess and I did not want a grown man dependant on me so I stopped paying.

Pete.

Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 5:52 pm    Post subject: re: First prototype made   

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Proof is simple, self start plus two rotations.

I have now gone back to my ideas which include springs, I will continue to invest in me and not others.

Pete.

Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2005 6:24 pm    Post subject: re: First prototype made   

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I think you will find that a push was only required for a wheel that rotated in either direction.

I am not going to change my version of proof, its simple and relative.

Pete.

Posted: Wed Jan 05, 2005 4:02 pm    Post subject: re: First prototype made   

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John,
Happy New Year to you.

Oh what a can of worms this has turned out to be, I hope nobody else has suffered financially.

My only problem is the crap I got from Deb, cost me a big Christmas present, lots of diamonds.

Oh well, we live and learn.

Pete.

[racer270]

HE HAS SEEN THE FRAUD WORNING ABOUT DARRELL FOR YEARS......!!!!

AND IS NOW DOING WHAT,? WITH IT.....BLOWING SMOKE UP YOUR A$$ ABOUT IT......LOL

P-L-E-E-S-E.......
HE UESES HIS ADMAN STATICE TO POST MY E-MAIL ADDRESS, AND DELITES THE POST MADE BY ME THAT HE DOESENT LIKE,.....THINK ABOUT IT....!!!1

WHY HAS HE BEEN A MEMBER @ BESSLER.COM SENCE 2003 AND NOT SEEN THE " FRAUD LISTING" , ABOUT DARRELL........LOL....

DREAMS ARE ONE THING,  we have almost 400 members , we self police are forum, i think you need to do the same....!