HHO heaters design questions

[mscoffman]

Yes, don't be alarmed at using HHO for a heater application because you will have
only very small amounts of total HHO gas in it at any one time. Obviously do not
buffer/store HHO gas ever! Use a gaseous fuel flashback preventer between the burner
and the electrolyzer to prevent flashback. Give the electrolyser what I would call it
a rupture-disc top so that if it does blow it will pop the plastic top off the electrolyser
and not break the electrolyser's container. The flashback preventer is nothing more than
forcing the gas through a pipe with a lateral metal screen or gauze in it so that the
flame's heat cannot get through from input to output of the fb preventer pipe.

Now I would reccommend utilizing this in a heater application. (rather the a torch or
cook stove) The way to do this is to force a single hydrogen torch burner to point
forward into the center of a bunch of six inch cut off copper water pipes mechanically
bound into a cluster.

All of the above described quite accurately in video plans from a web site;
hhohhu.com

You can do a search at the top of this overunity.com web site for the string
"hhohhu.com" to see prior posts about this. If there is any way for you to find
the videos 1a.pdf... by all means do so because it accurately describe what is
required to build this heater in detail. Also at the web site: peswiki.com there
is also some historical information on it.

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What you are trying to do is use the best possible HHO electrolyzer technology
to get over Faraday amounts of HHO gas, if possible, and then burn that gas in
a catalytic burner (the cluster of copper tubes).

The heater operates on LENR energy principles, it is two stage overunity,
1x when the HHO is electrolysed the 1x again when it is burned
catalytically. This cause the energy output to be LENR gain squared
but you will need to use LENR gain squared to get adequate net energy
gain out of the heater when running it on 500W.

Please let us know how your device turns out.

:S:MarkSCoffman

[ydeardorff]

Thanks,
I am not pursuing the HHO heater plans with the copper pipes. Namely because my wife watches kids, and some of these heaters can put out over 1000 degrees within inches of the output. So my first test of design will be using round CPU heat sinks. The centers punch out, and can be mounted on a copper pipe. cool air is then blown over them, through a loose fitting duct to transfer heat.

The next design, once I can get nozzle to flame temp distances measured out is using a liquid cooling system for a PC. This will not only pump the coolant, but blow it out through essentially a large heat exchanger like a radiator.

By marrying tip size, hho flow rate, and distance from the flame I can easily dial in what temp exposure the cpu cooler gets exposed to.
That combined with a ceramic cup to spread the heat load, I can get this system to operate how I want it too.

Then Ill tie that into a digital thermostat, and auto ignition system. Combined it will make the system completely stand alone like a home furnace. While maintaining such safety features as auto relight, gas solenoid valves, and internal temp sensors. It sounds involved, but Id rather have utterly redundant safety systems, and be overly cautious then have a bbq lighter button to light it.

That way the unit can run, even at night while we sleep. without worry of the flame going out, and filling the house with hydrogen gas.

[Mark69]

Looking forward to your progress.  Also, for your radiator idea or hot water heater idea, I would suggest to use something that can hold a higher temp before boiling, like oil for example.  Then you could use the oil to heat your water.  You can control the flow of oil to moderate your water temp and could probably run it less, since the hho or h burns so much hotter.

[ydeardorff]

Good idea, Im wondering if the CPU cooler could use oil, if it doesn't already. Depending on the oil, the only thing possibly needed might just be different hoses which I may have to modify anyway.
Using the CPU cooler allows I believe an equalization to be had. A loss of extremely high heat in a small volume, for a lower heat over a larger volume.

[mscoffman]

The reason that this device would make a good saleable product at the
right price is that in the US is that we can only expect 1850Watts to be
delivered from a lighting utility circuit. So that is a maximum with resistive
heating, while one really desires maybe 3->5KW of heat from a heater.
(like one of those old but rather dangerous kerosene room heaters.)

Baseboard electric heaters are a good deal but require a 230/240VAC
connection which limits their portability as this requires specialised
outlets or direct wiring.

Also one does not want to run a device at 15 Amp maximum or else other
devices cannot be plugged in on the circuit without blowing fuses or breakers.
And...one often desires but should not, locate a heater at the end of an
inexpensive extension cord. All these things argue for maybe a 500Watt upper
limit (like a home computer) on the amount of input current required to
be supplied. The 500Watt input vs 3->5KW output is obviously too disperate.

So, there is no way to supply this need without using LENR gain aside from a
portable heat pump with it's large ID hose going out of a window - which is
generally unacceptable. So this is a needed device. If the electrical input
really is only 500Watts maximum, suitable output heat levels will only be
obtained through LENR or other energy gain. Storage of hydrogen gas is
inadvisable and of HHO gas impossible.

This is an application with a required need independent of simple green vs
financial considerations.


:S:MarkSCoffman