Working SMOT ramp from Tom Ferko ?

[magnetman12003]

My head hurts!

I just spent the last few hours reading this thread from start to finish and WOW! Your guys are silly! No disrespect to your work though. Its just amazing where you started and where you are now. From what I understand no one has anything that as actually worked yet? Am I right? There is so much I want to say but its now too late today. When I write again I will be going back to the vary first post and the video shown on the rail gun. I think if what I saw in that video is true with a few small assumptions we might be talking about something that could work. One question I have is from that first video will the ring magnet be pulled into the device and then shot out or do you have to drop it in past the sticky spot?

Tim

Hi Tim,

The very first video you saw was a working "LINEAR" demonstration.  Its true-- I used magnetic rails spaced as you see them to get the runner magnet to roll.  No sticky spots because the rails are staggered.  The runner magnet pulls itself into motion.

I have been tring to get that idea to work in a circular form to date and the very last illustration I posted might work.  In this setup one can use regular block magnets.

As you can see I acually built my ideas only to find they did not work.  Same story with Edison and his light bulb.   I am far from being some sort of genius but I keep after it.  Its only a matter of time untill someone makes a simple self runner using nothing but permanent magnets. Keep electronics out of this.  Electrical devices require external power.

All good thoughts need a follow up with actual construction. 


Tom

[magnetman12003]

My first guess is that there are electromagnets under the base of the unit that are running it. However I think I can see in theory how it works. It uses a SMOT to propel the ball and in doing so transfers a small amount of energy to the pendulum to keep it running. The pendulum is used to pull the magnet away from the ball as it passes just enough to pull the ball and then release it. The length of the pendulums are calculated just right for the time it take the ball to travel around. I think the C magnets also are used to keep the three pendulums rocking lined up. As one goes down there is a small arm from the next C magnet pendulum arm that is in the magnetic field which is pulled down with it. The question is does this really work to get the ball past the sticky spot? It makes it harder to believe that is has been running for that long and is in what looks like a museum and hasn't made the news. We all know if this really did what it claims then it would be a lot larger then a video on Google.

Tim

Hi Tim,

Its a real interesting video but the bottom line of this device is:  Can it power something else?      If not then it becomes what you see as a museum curiosity open for lots of discussion.

I did notice that it works using pendulum power however.  Take a look at this link:

http://www.calacademy.org/products/pendulum/index.html      Real good pendulum info.

Tom

[magnetman12003]

Hi Guys,  I have the Mu metal under the curved section you see.

I may face the curved Mu metal section the reverse way under the beam and lay the pendulum magnets along side of the Y yoke.   Whatever way is easier to deal with that produces the same expected result.


Tom

[nwman]

My first guess is that there are electromagnets under the base of the unit that are running it. However I think I can see in theory how it works. It uses a SMOT to propel the ball and in doing so transfers a small amount of energy to the pendulum to keep it running. The pendulum is used to pull the magnet away from the ball as it passes just enough to pull the ball and then release it. The length of the pendulums are calculated just right for the time it take the ball to travel around. I think the C magnets also are used to keep the three pendulums rocking lined up. As one goes down there is a small arm from the next C magnet pendulum arm that is in the magnetic field which is pulled down with it. The question is does this really work to get the ball past the sticky spot? It makes it harder to believe that is has been running for that long and is in what looks like a museum and hasn't made the news. We all know if this really did what it claims then it would be a lot larger then a video on Google.

Tim

Hi Tim,

Its a real interesting video but the bottom line of this device is:  Can it power something else?      If not then it becomes what you see as a museum curiosity open for lots of discussion.

I did notice that it works using pendulum power however.  Take a look at this link:

http://www.calacademy.org/products/pendulum/index.html      Real good pendulum info.

Tom

I don't think that is a the real question. The absolutely FIRST question/problem to overcome is to achieve continuous operation. No need to pull power of off it yet. If you can overcome entropy (friction) then you have done it. If you can ACTUALLY do this then anything else is just icing on the cake. Like in this liner example on Google the fact that it is continuously running(if indeed it is) proves the point. The fact that the ball is maintaining speed  means the device is producing enough "extra" power to overcome the losses of friction of the ball rolling and wind resistance. What I would like to see added to that device is a multimeter and or a gaussmeter hooked up at each of the three magnet points to read the flux in the fields. Let alone I would love to test every area around the device with those as well as a clear box of iron filings to see the fields. One might even be able to light an LED off of the flux in the fields as the ball passes by. That would show power being pulled from the device. Or mechanically by adding a couple more of those little wire ramps in the path of the ball the are pushed down with can be connected to a small fly wheel.

I want to make a few graphics and post here in a second to show my ideas of what you could try with you original videos setup that might connect the loop.


Tim

[magnetman12003]

Hi  Tim,

In the first video you saw the runner magnet tracked the rail next to it.  When the runner magnet left the end of that rail it was repeled to one side. Look closely at the video and you can see that slight movement.   It did the same thing after tracking the other rails also.  Notice also that I have the rails staggered so that there is no pinchoff ( sticky spot)  .

In essence the runner magnet "WEAVED" its way down the linear track.

Tom