Eds design

[AhuraMazda]

Has anyone seen this design or experimented with it?

http://www.overunity.com/index.php?action=tpmod;dl=item108

[Spokane1]

Dear E.V. Gray Researchers,

You may have seen this photo before, but not at this resolution. I got the maximum pixels that I could fit into the 100KB limit.

This is a front end view of the EMA4-E2 Stator showing all 36 electromagnets. Marvin Cole was serious about his work when he built this complex prototype  (no wonder they ran out of money). As you can see it follows the patent pretty close. Another photo (yet to up load) shows that the rotor is also just what the patent shows. This is good because at least we have something to go (not much but some).

Notice that each of the "Major" and "Minor" electromagnets are wired independently. The electromagnets are rather flat. The large one is about 2.5" wide and about 1" thick by 6.75" long. I would guess the wire used for both electromagnets is standard copper magnet wire at about #22 AWG. Notice all the white plastic blocks (assume Delrin) between the poles. I'm sure these serve a useful function.

There is strong evidence that these electromagnets are three-wire devices (and not two). If you check the figures in the motor patent you will notice a detail of the rotor showing how two of the electromagnets are wired in series on the rotor. I assume the case is the same here on the stator.

Spokane1

The case appears to be metallic (most likely aluminum) about 1/2" to 5/8" thick. The inside diameter is 16" so you can make your own relative measurements. We use to think the case was G-10 fiberglass because of the color in this slide, however other photos defiantly show metal.

You can speculate on the magnetic flow in this system, there appears to be some metallic mass underneath the electromagnets so maybe there is some kind of continuous flux path there.

This motor was finished and operational in about 1971, so it is already two years old in this photo  and it has been modified in that time period. I shall show the differences in later photos.

John Bedini claims that he saw this motor operate at 87.5 HP (only once). E.V.Gray would not demonstrate it after that. I project that there was a failure that his team was unable to quickly repair or worse yet not able to find easily.

Spokane1

[forest]

Spokane1, you make Ed sound more and more like a crook! Perhaps he was. The patents were done just to keep investors on the hook.  I'm going to continue the exploding wire stuff just to see if these 'darts' or whatever are for real.  I hope to feel them as tesla did and then move on to quenched spark gaps. If I don't get any sensations at 15kv I will probably dismiss the theory of operation as outlined in the book as not applicable. I'm still going through the Tesla lectures slowly and so far I have not yet come across what Gerry and Peter describe so voluminously. Lots more to read though.

Don't loose hope.I think stinging effect is real but you are making big mistake using large 15kv.Once you done it you may be unable to tell us about it. Why not just start in mini or micro scale ?

[forest]

Dear Spokane1,

I can't see any thyratron tubes at all in those pictures you have generously posted  here. Do you think that could be the reason why Gray motor generated only 2HP ?

I heard many very good theories here and there, I think we should summarize all of them in one place and eliminate by using some info obtained from now available photos.

I heard about :

- radiant energy generation and capture

- Beta rays decay due to Synergee nuclear reaction in excited carbon rod
(http://www.overunity.com/index.php/topic,1310.0/topicseen.html)

- huge voltage rise due to capacitor surface change : two terminals into one terminal capacitor conversion


IMHO also the vacuum tube in Gray circuit is a source of free electrons, that what I think is the most important role of this device.
Now there is possibility that all mentioned plus all described here theories are correct in some degree.

My personal thoughts:
I think that what Gray said about "recreating lighting" may be also correct. Looking for the positive pulse path we see that first it
is arcing between metal rod and carbon rod, then probably commutator is shutting off this path and part of discharge is going back looking for the ground (i.e. lower voltage area). The only path that remains is through copper grids. That's why also the name : "switching device". Vacuum tube is the source of electrons which are needed to complete path of current through copper grids. Maybe the electron avalanche effect occurs in air or carbon in CSET container also or even nuclear Synergee reaction.I don't know.I speculate also that the rest of energy is used to reachrge those large caps Gray used and that's why elements 42,44,46.


Boguslaw

[Spokane1]

Dear Boguslaw,

You are right there are no thyratron's showing in any of these posted photos and I really doubt there was on in existence at the time 1973-1976. According to Ron Cole E.V. Gray didn't know what a thyratron was during this period of time. His hired technician did use then in  1980 but they were quickly replaced with Ignitrons when a new technician cam on board. The CSET pattent was drawn till 1984, so by then Gray probably had some idea what they were - since he paid for several.

But I don't think the Marvin Cole technology had them.

As far as you interesting ideas on excited carbon rods. I believe you mentioned that in a post not to long ago. I just want to add that what you describe is not a property of just any old carbon or graphite rod. You have to have Pyrolized Carbon. This is a material (carbon of course) made form heated methane gas that is grown like a crystal in a pressure high temperature pressure chamber. The carbon atoms form benzine rings and are laid down in sheets one atom thick. Now that stuff does have all the interesting properties you are referring to - or at least according the Graham Gunderson who has studied this material.

I certainly don't know where you buy it or how much it costs - I doubt if its cheap.

All you need to do now is propose some experimental setups and go to work looking for some non-classical process. The Gray (or Cole) process is wide open for any good ideas that you want to work on.

Spokane1