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[Shanti]

Hmm, thought again about it. Think it will  not work, as you cannot get the gathered electrons out of the middle (outside the anode faraday region) without needing power. What do you think? Then it would only work, if you do it with discharging the anode everytime shortly before the impact of the electrons. Then only a solid rod as anode would be sufficient. Surely the advantage would be, that the energy needed to charge and discharge the anode everytime would also be radiated in the spark and therefore contribute to the overall power. But you would surely also get a capacity loss  in the anode if the electrons coming nearer...

[pomodoro]

 Spokane1, you make Ed sound more and more like a crook! Perhaps he was. The patents were done just to keep investors on the hook.  I'm going to continue the exploding wire stuff just to see if these 'darts' or whatever are for real.  I hope to feel them as tesla did and then move on to quenched spark gaps. If I don't get any sensations at 15kv I will probably dismiss the theory of operation as outlined in the book as not applicable. I'm still going through the Tesla lectures slowly and so far I have not yet come across what Gerry and Peter describe so voluminously. Lots more to read though.

[Shanti]

Actually I also read lot of the Tesla Stuff. All the common known lectures and articles (2 Books: "Tesla Collected Articles and Lectures", a must buy for Tesla interested). But I also didn't read anywhere what Gerry wrote. So does anyone know from which source are the things that Gerry talks about? He must have had some special source which is not commonly known.
And Peter just requoted garry. And then interpreted this in his own way according to how it may fit to the gray tube.
These descriptions are also in the book "The Complete Patents of Nikola Tesla" if I interprete this page correctly http://www.hbci.com/~wenonah/new/tesla.htm.
But on the page also no source is indicated.
I think a lot of things of Tesla is unnecessary mystified, because of lack of electronic knowledge. And unfortunately I already saw this with many themes online (especially Tesla themes): Somebody just guesses something, and after some time and everybody quoting everybody, it is then told Tesla said this and it's presented as a fact...
E.g. the Lyne explanations are an example for this. If you read the corresponding articles and patents you will quickly recognize, that Tesla meant it completely different than Lyne wanted to understand it. But I doesn't think bad about Lyne because of this, he also only wants to find the truth, and just doesn't have much knowledge in electronics and therefore interprets it in his own unique way...
But one always has to be very alert, to differentiate what did the original source say, and what is just an interpretation of somebody.
Therefore if possible, i always include from where I quote (e.g. which patents...)
Another thing I cannot understand, how it can still be speculated how some things work, wheras they are completely explained by Tesla and very simple in principle (e.g. his death ray). How many sites are there on the net, guessing what his death-ray might be, although he made a detailed explanation of it, and it would be no problem building one according to these explanations...

[Spokane1]

Dear promodoro,

I suppose I do sound to critical of E.V. Gray and I should temper my text accordingly. He was a regular working man with his share of vices who had his hands around a big pot of gold that slipped out of his fingers. He was changed for life. He merely attmepted to regain what he had lost by doing the same things he did in the past.

I also suppose that I'm more aggitated because I lost a hero when I slowly discovered his real technical ability - as contrasted to how he built himself up in the early 1973 interviews. Perhaps he couldn't tell the press otherwise and still hope to cpatilize on his treasure.

However, Mr. Gray was no where near the technical genius that Dr. Farnsworth was.

Now back to the Tesla RE phenomena. I was wrong on the reference. The magizine was actually "The Electrical Engineer" December 21, 1892 Vol. XIV No. 242 "On The Dissipation of the Electrical Energy of the Hertz Resonator" by Nikola Tesla.

The copy I have is from Jerry Vassilatos "Vril Compendium Volume 9" Vril and Aerial Radio. 1995 Published by Borderlands. Most of the pages are not numbered in this collection, but this document is about 50 pages from the front of 300 pages.

Peter Lindemann claims that this two page article is not the "Mother Load" that Jerry was talking about in his "Lost Science Book". Until we find the actual reference - this will have to do.

I also have not found a reference about people being electracuted from the closure of a large DC system power switch during startup. If I could I would model the circuit setup in LTSPICE and see just what classical parameters were present at the switch. In my study of the Cole system I would think the shutdown of the system would be where the action would happen. I recall reading about a submarine breaker that generated ball lightning when the breaker attempted to interrup a DC motor that was over loading. Now that sounds more like it. A high current DC arc being stretched while connected to an inductive load. Interesting things happen under those circumstances.

Attached (at 300 dpi) is the paragraph of interest. Notice how Dr. Tesla makes reference to the "thick metal bar". For a long time I thought that if the arc hits the center rod in the CSET a phenomena like this would occur and maybe it does (Like the Morton effect), but Dr. Tesla didn't use copper cylinders to harvest this analomous energy he used a very special wound coil.

Spokane1

[Spokane1]

Dear Shanti,

Some historical answers to your questions:

What happened with the EMA4, that they were not able to make a working replication?

Nobody knew where all the OU came from, least of all Mr. Gray. All of the technical matters were handled by Marvin Cole. Richard Hackenburger was a classically trained electrical engineer who was tasked to finish off a started project (The EMA5).  He was up against a huge learning curve. I'm not so sure I could have done any better with my classical training. It took a few years to get of the idea that there was a violation of the conservation of energy laws (from thermodynamics) taking place in from of him. I also understand that the EMA4-E2 was broke down much of the time after the batteries exploded or a capacitor in the power supply died. Richard was under a strict Non Disclosure Agreement. It wasn't as if he could call up one of his professional friends and say "Hey Sam, how does this free energy thing work?".

What happened to Cole?

He disappeared in early 1973 or late 1972. I really don't know. One account claims that he was bumped off in the desert. We can only guess as to what happened. Since there was no apparent estate battle going for control of the company assets I assume he died with out a spouse or a family. If he had been eliminated through some action of the MIB then the surviving equipment would have been taken as well and it was not. So this leads  me to the conclusion that he suddenly died of an accident or natural causes. It happens.

Did the working EMA4 also need such large HV caps for operation?

We don't know for sure. The electronics under the cover of the EMA4-E2 has never been seen, however one photo shows 12 large yellow HV conductors hanging from the inside. My assumption is that there were 12 unit power supplies involved. I still think the capacitors here were still between 5 and 12 uF. this much capacity is needed to get the discharge timing slow enough to match the speed of rotation. I do think that the oil capacitors used on the EMA6 are designed for over kill and don't need to be that large. (personal opinion). A modern poly capacitor would be 1/10 that size - at least the ones I use.

Details about the Output of the EMA6:

Dr. Chalfin claims that his measurements indicated a near 100% efficiency (1440 watts in) at the 2 HP level. Later Richard Hackenburger claims that he was just measuring the excitation power only (from the 24 V bank of batteries). He was not including the harvested energy that was returning to the receiving battery bank (the 12 V set). The lawyers wanted nothing to be said about excess energy in public for fear of the LA DA. In the EMA4 the return energy was about 63% of the excitation energy. If this factor held true in this motor and at this power level - then we are looking at a COP of 1.63. Not bad, if they were allowed to talk about it. I suspect that the low energy level turned most people off. How are you going to run a car on 2 HP even if it is 100% or 200% efficient - so what.

Spokane1