Old Tech, New Twist

[Fester]

 Im in the stage of planning to build a HHO rig. One thing caught my attention as i keep pouring over all the posts i this section. These HHO generators look much like another device I have seen. A Tesla turbine.  I have built a toy turbine in the past. And I am wondering if i could build one out of 316L, for the purpose of using the turbine blades as neutral plates. And the sides of the turbine as the hot and ground. Turning the turbine itself into a HHO generator. Hopefully at the same time as the bubbles float upward they turn the blades. Rotational energy could easily be converted back into electricity for use. Thus, reclaiming energy but not violating the law of thermal dynamics.

Easier Method:
If anyone has  HHO generator one could simply take the exit tube for the generator and hook it to a tesla turbine. Keeping the turbine above the generator so as the gas rises it can turn the turbine. Just be warned the fewer the blades the higher the rpm range and the greater the back pressure in the generator. None the less PM generators could be used on the shat of the turbine , as the blades will only turn while the system is on.

Turbines are designed to take the energy out of moving gases or fluids.

I believe the turbine over generator idea has greater merit, versus the turbine generator hybrid. Anyone with an existing HHO generator could cheaply make the CD turbine as seen on you tube and begin reclaiming.

[Doug1]

 I do not think there would be enough volume and preasure to turn a turbine that way.Preasure also increases the explossive nature of hydrogen. The spinning disks may shed the bubbles better though leaving the plate/disks in better contact with the water/mix ,might even speed up production in a smaller unit.

[Fester]

You are absolutely correct. Pressure does increase risk. However the pressure will be greatly reduced, compared to other gasses. The bouyancy of the very light hydrogen gas is what i am going to try and collect. With a neutral balance pressure, the hydrogen atoms are still going to want to climb. To get normal air to go through a turbine it takes compression. but we are dealing with a gas that is lighter than air, and continually wants to climb. the only question is how much volume will i need to keep the pressure build up non existant and for the lighter than air gasses to push a turbine( bladed or non bladed, most likely will start with a bladed design like turbo chargers). A good analogy is the difference between a hot air balloon and a blimp. A hot air balloon you have to make it want to go up, and a blimp you have to make it stay down. so basically by placing a turbine over a cell, is like a blimp. How much resistance can i give it, and create little to no back pressure. Also keep in mind this is a single turbine only, its not a double turbine trying to ram rod air for combustion. the only resistance the gas will encounter is the force to turn the wheel as well as what ever the force required to turn the generator on the end of the turbine shaft. Most things that have to do with gasses and flow deal with pressure. However there is also lift. My low pressure hydrogen gas is being forced out of the way by the high pressure atmosphere/water.

[Fester]

Ok with some further research I have found some interesting things out. The term turbine( for my post) is define as a bladed turbine. 0 degrees being up. Inlet at 181 degrees and exiting at 360 degrees on the arc of the turbine.

Fact #1: it takes around 406L of hydrogen to make a 1 US pound object take flight. divide this by 16 and we get 25L to get 1 US ounce object to take flight. An object that takes flight is moving an object one inch. Which is the same as saying one inch/ounce of torque. Low wattage motors are labelled in inch/ounces to get them to overcome the magnetic lag of the motor( lenz effect)

Fact #2: Hydrogen will never lose its bouyancy in earth's atmosphere until the atmosphere becomes too thin. the hydrogen can only encounter resistance.

For a better clarification of my idea:

The cell will be the lowest part of the device in altitude.
The turbines will have 1 inch ounce resistance motors attached to produce electricity.
The hydrogen will be created and rise OUT of the cell.
Once it leaves the cell a 12inch cubed "hood" will be over the cell, but the cells exit tube will be level with the bottom of the hood. 12 inch cube is over 1700 cubic inches and 25 Liters is just over 1500 cubic inches.
The hydrogen will rise out of the cell and into the hood. Its only escape is through the turbine. The more hydrogen that comes in, the heavier oxygen and nitrogen will exit the open bottom of the cubic hood.
Once 25L of hydrogen is surpassed in the hood, and under the turbine, the turbine will start to turn.
The turbine will begin to turn and achieve maximum rotation based on the input of hydrogen below it. Which should also be the best RPM range for the motor.
This wattage is back fed or recharge the power supply from initial start up.
Once the hydrogen leaves the turbine it is again collected by another hood/turbine combination.
the exit of the turbine being level with the bottom of the hood.
the second hood fills with hydrogen and begins to turn as well. hydrogen never looses its bouyancy in the atmosphere.
More hoods can be added upwards until the atmosphere is too thin to make the hydrogen rise.
If I use 24Watts to make hydrogen as most small rigs do, and my turbo generators make 3 watts. It would only take 8 hood combinations to become neutral balance energy.
The only energy replenishment needed is the wattage at the start of the chain to make hydrogen. This open loop system will feed one into another because hydrogen will ALWAYS want to rise. Each hood combinations that fills and turns beyond the 8th( in this example) is pure gain. And after the battery is recharged, we truly have neutral balance and are looking to harvest more and put it to work.

Temperature, atmospheric pressure, wind and various other things can effects the device. But if you sit and think about it, they only drop the efficiency and for only a period of time.

I do not believe burning the hydrogen is the answer to getting more bang for your buck. i believe taking advantage of the nature of the hydrogen its self is the key. hydrogen in the atmosphere like a simulated reverse gravity. It goes up and doesnt come down.