Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?

[Pirate88179]

@MH if the JT circuit isn't in "resonance".... what determines the oscillation frequency?

How are we defining resonance here, anyway?

Exactly!

Bill

PS  I will try the cold soak experiment soon.  Thanks.

[plengo]

Thanks for the answer. No emotional here just saying what I think. It does frustrates me to see an individual as intelligent as you are and not see it. But, hey family frustrates me too!

Fausto:

Here is where you have to analyze things without any emotion.  First of all, the 2000 pounds is not doing any work at all.  The 2000 pounds is the dead weight of the rotor of Joe's big motor (or it is the weight of the entire motor assembly, I can't remember.)

It is doing work off course, did you see it running the water pump? That is work, now I would agree that once the wheel is spinning to the maximum for the given power, yes, from now on it would be easy to maintain the rotation but still there is a price because friction and off course the work been done by moving gallons of water from one point to another. Freely spinning wheel without horrible friction, sure no work, which is NOT the case in the video.

What do you mean the motor is not running on current?  How can you say that after all these years?  You know electrical power is voltage times current.  There is no such thing as a motor running on voltage only and there is no such thing as a motor running on current only.  Those are nonsensical concepts.

Sure, you could say it is non-nonsensical, just like when one uses the "negligible" statement into the equation. What I meant is just that, those 500 or 170 batteries (could be 1000) in series can maximum give a few mili-amps for all that time running, NOT AMPS and AMPs like a motor of equivalent size would need. Oh boy, he showed the graph right in the beginning or the video to show exactly that. Did you see the video?


So the motor is using current, but very little compared to the size and work done. The difference in voltage and current is so big and disproportional to the whole apparatus that one can safely say "no current to run this gigantic beast motor".

The "power of induction" is not doing any work and there is no power associated with induction.  Inductance can only store and release energy provided by an external power source.

So, we know that Joe is using what?  I think it's about 170 batteries in series?

I challenge you Fausto to explain how what Joe Newman demos is perfectly explainable with his 2000 pound rotor and the 170 AA batteries.   You are claiming that is overunity and I am challenging you to explain how it is in fact under unity.
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MileHigh

I agree, induction itself and the inductor nothing special really. But still heats the wire twice!!!


Challenge, oh boy, no need, I have my WORK at WORK and AT THE LAB every night already to challenge me, I don't need your understanding criticism. I like when you explain things without being negative concerning peoples beliefs. It does not matter if the belief we have is GOD, Jesus, the Devil or Free Energy. So respect on the answers and statements is essential.


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Besides being obvious that the amount of magnetic flux is not proportionally equivalent to the amount input power. There are many other factors at play here so looking at a coil just like induction theory is a grave mistake that leads you to only see one side of coin.

Fausto.

[MileHigh]

Fausto:

I don't have time for a complete reply but here is the answer.   A 1.5-volt alkaline AA battery can easily output one ampere of current.  I am wondering if you are thinking that a bunch of them in series lowers the current output capabilities of the AA batteries.  You seem to be implying that.  If you are that's not the case.

So, a single AA battery at 1.5 volts and one amp can output 1.5 watts.  170 of them in series can output 255 watts (255 volts at one amp.)

So you have a giant "Newman" pulse motor with a large coil.  The larger the coil the more voltage you need to get the current flowing in a reasonable amount of time.

So, you look at Joe Newman's water flow rate and the vertical height his pump is displacing the water.  Do the calculations and you will find that if you power an electrical motor with 250 watts of electrical power that powers a water pump it should be able to easily displace the water that Joe Newman is demonstrating.

Honestly, I think that you should have been able to see this.  The conclusion is that Joe Newman is demonstrating nothing special at all.  It's all just a fake demo in an attempt to impress people and get people to "invest" or "donate" to his "Newman motor" cause.

The "2000 pounds" means absolutely nothing.  Yes it takes some battery energy to get it spinning but after that it makes no difference and does not affect anything.

MileHigh

[plengo]

Fausto:

I don't have time for a complete reply but here is the answer.   A 1.5-volt alkaline AA battery can easily output one ampere of current.  I am wondering if you are thinking that a bunch of them in series lowers the current output capabilities of the AA batteries.  You seem to be implying that.  If you are that's not the case.

So, a single AA battery at 1.5 volts and one amp can output 1.5 watts.  170 of them in series can output 255 watts (255 volts at one amp.)

So you have a giant "Newman" pulse motor with a large coil.  The larger the coil the more voltage you need to get the current flowing in a reasonable amount of time.

So, you look at Joe Newman's water flow rate and the vertical height his pump is displacing the water.  Do the calculations and you will find that if you power an electrical motor with 250 watts of electrical power that powers a water pump it should be able to easily displace the water that Joe Newman is demonstrating.

Honestly, I think that you should have been able to see this.  The conclusion is that Joe Newman is demonstrating nothing special at all.  It's all just a fake demo in an attempt to impress people and get people to "invest" or "donate" to his "Newman motor" cause.

The "2000 pounds" means absolutely nothing.  Yes it takes some battery energy to get it spinning but after that it makes no difference and does not affect anything.

MileHigh

I am speechless for you. If you really believe that, go ahead. You are making my life much easier to work with overunity ideas and devices even more than before. Overunity is EASY to believe compared to YOUR explanation of how Newman's motor (that freaking gigantic motor) can even start spinning with 255 watts of power second. Much less pump water.


Fausto.

[ltseung888]

@TinselKoala


This thread is growing too fast for me to keep up.


I shall answer one point at a time.  The point here is the comparison of power and energy.


You are perfectly correct that those two may be very different .  Energy is the integration of power over a certain period of time.  The minimum time interval should be one complete wave.  In the examples I posted, there were at least 4 complete Output Voltage waves.  Thus the average power over such intervals should be very close to the actual energy comparison.


I think that we are getting closer and closer to the truth now.  I do not mind your searching questions as they are preparing me for the inevitable "examination" at places such as Tsinghua University.


Sorry about putting your name in the same sentence as the Almighty.  I never thought that you two were close. It will not happen again.