Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?

[ltseung888]

@LTseung: I'm glad you are taking me seriously. Thanks for posting the scopeshots.
Yes, you are right that instantaneous power = instantaneous voltage x instantaneous current, at each _instant_.  This automatically takes into account phase angles, complex waveforms and the lot. However there are other considerations.

We shall send at least 30 oscilloscope-test-ready boards to the top universities of the World.  They have the very high end 4 channel scopes to do very thorough tests.  That was the objection 3 years ago when I first took the simple FLEET to the Hong Kong University.  The immediate reaction was - your China made Oscilloscope may not give the right result.

*** Another major objections was that with a 2 channel oscilloscope, one cannot measure the Input and Output waveforms simultaneously.  In the particular experiment, I took pictures of the Output and then the Input.  Thus there were no guarantee that the LHS corresponds to the RHS exactly. ***

I believe PhysicsProf also met with similar comments.  He had to drive many miles to BYU to use the high end scope.

Both G-LED and BSI have produced Forever Lighted Lamps based on the resonance tuning of the Atten Oscilloscope.  From the many repeated peaks, I believe the oscilloscope gives reasonable answer.  I do not need exact values to confirm the lead-out energy theory.  Let the Universities and their Professors shine.  Let them come out with the top scientific papers.

Let the Almighty bring out the top Wine Servers.

[ltseung888]

First, and perhaps most importantly, Power is NOT energy. Power is not necessarily "conserved" because you can take lots of small chunks of power and concentrate them into a bigger chunk. ENERGY is conserved. To sustain a claim of overunity performance you must show that energy out > energy in.
How do you find the energy? By integrating the instantaneous power curve over an appropriate time period.
So your COP claims based on power are still incomplete.

The COP claims are based on Average Output Power over Average Input Power with 11250 sample points. 

[TinselKoala]

Lawrence, you do not absolutely need high end digital oscilloscopes to do accurate power measurements! They are nice, can save a lot of time,  but not required. What do you think people did before there +were+ DSOs? The folks that designed the first DSOs "only" had analog scopes to work with, and they made accurate power measurements of complex waveforms just fine.

I want to see if I can check your present  computations, if I may. Can you please tell me the following little bits of data, for _one_ JT that you think is OU.... (and let's continue to speak only of that _one_ that you select, please.)

What is the oscillation frequency and the approximate duty cycle (the ratio of the "on" output time to the total period of a full cycle)?
What is the sample rate setting of your DSO when making your measurements?
How large (how many samples) is your CSV file for a set of _four_ complete cycles in the waveform?
May I examine your present spreadsheet computations (not just results, I'd like to see your formulae and procedures if I may.)

Now, I am mostly concerned with the output waveforms (voltage, and current represented by voltage drop thru a monitoring resistor)  here. We will consider how you are measuring the input power a bit later on. You may not even need a scope at all for that.

[TinselKoala]

The COP claims are based on Average Output Power over Average Input Power with 11250 sample points.

And that is where you likely are going wrong. Please see my post above. I think you may be undersampling your waveform on the output, and I think you might not be doing your input measurements correctly. But without closer examination I can't really tell.


Still, for a quick check, you could always daisy-chain your 30 boards together into a real fleet of FLEETS.... and have them run themselves in a big Ring of Power. If they are even the slightest bit OU.... by the time you turn on the 30th one you will be in Overunity Heaven.
With all those OU Wine Servers, no doubt.

[ltseung888]

We shall send at least 30 oscilloscope-test-ready boards to the top universities of the World.  They have the very high end 4 channel scopes to do very thorough tests. 

The Top Universities include TsingHua University (the MIT of China), MIT, Columbia, Stanford Universities of USA, Imperial College of England etc.  They will receive the Lead-out Energy Research Kit and an oscilloscope-test-ready board.

All the Lead-out Energy Research Kits from BSI will have enough components to build an oscilloscope-test-ready board.  BSI and G-LED will be meeting early December to decide on the final details.

Initially, I intended to wait until Oct 2013 before providing the full tuning information.  One event at the hospital changed my mind.  Someone used the "survival of the fittest" statement.  That statement is a thorn in the heart for me.  That was what the Colonialists used to justify murdering other races.

The gun and the atomic bomb were paradigm shift technologies.  The Lead-out Energy technology will be a similar paradigm shift technology.  No one group or nation is allowed to own and control this technology exclusively.  The Divine Wine is for all humans.

I do not care whether someone believes or does not believe my posts.  The analogy was the thousands of objections before the Wright Brothers demonstrated their plane.  The moment the 30 top Universities publish their reports; when any one can purchase the Lead-out Energy Research Kit; when the Forever Lighted Lamp appears on TV etc., it will be reality.

May the Almighty guide us to benefit the World.  Amen.