developing idea's

[CuriousChris]

Oh Shush the pair of you.

If you both walked into court and accused each other of libel. The judge would read the posts and laugh you out of HIS courtroom.

To prove libel you MUST prove the person you are accusing of damaging your reputation, which may result in financial or other losses.

How far do you really think you'd get accusing each other of libel in an anonymous forum that deals in perpetual motion machines. You'd be lucky if he didn't decide to have you both committed. Your reputation has already been irrevocably damaged by your own statements.

We play scientifically challenged theoretical games here. I doubt you can libel anyone.

[johnny874]

classic projection...

  Not sure Wilby, I am the only person I know of that is openly attacked for saying Johann Bessler built a working wheel.
Had one person tell me that if math could figure out how his wheel worked, it would have done so by now. and this means that only a vision from God will reveal his secret. I came out as the person that was ignorant for having a willingness to consider engineering could provide the solution to his wheel.
And what such believers in God have missed is that in one of his drawings, he displays 3 crosses that are made to have a resemblence to a pendulum. Since Johann Bessler seems to have been a devout Christian (he quoted the Bible over 100 times), it should not be surprising if he used a symbol(s) of christian faith to tell someone to have faith.
  So I guess when the one person said only a visdion was required to solve Bessler's wheel, bessler himself would have said having faith that he did build a wheel and that as he wanted to start a school because there was something that he knew that was worth learning. But a lazy man would not be willing to do the labors necessary to learn and thus would implore God to give them a vision to hide their own laziness.
By the way, 3 crosses usually represent the crucifixion of Jesus and the 2 thieves that were with him. Here's a link the the pic.
What to say ? pendulums don't need cross(es) bars.
http://www.besslerwheel.com/images/Merseburg_wheel1.jpg
And if ya'all check, elements in the drawings Bessler did of the wheels he built can be found in his Maschinen Tractate. Something pretty much ignored by people who have shown an interest in Johann's work.
With me, am tired of getting slammed for working on it by skeptics who proclaim their expertise while lacking any formal training in mechanical engineering. Heck, they can't even cite work experience like being a mill wright. At least then they would have some understanding of how complex mechanical systems with possibly heat exchangers, pumps, vacuum, pneumatic, hydraulic and pressurized fluid systems work, but they don't think there is much to actual engineering.

[johnny874]

  @All,
2 different drawings of Johann Bessler's. The encircled areas both show the same detail.
Somehting Bessler afficiandos have missed for over 300 years. It could be that they ignored
this statement of his; 1sfollow tfhttp://www.orfbkiusrdnbsefke the possibility. However, I have left all demonstrations and experiments, since it would be difficult for anybody to see or learn anything about a perpetual motion from them or to decide whether there was any truth in them because no illustration by itself contains a description of the motion; however, taking various illustrations together and combining them with a discerning mind, it will indeed be possible to look for a movement and, finally to find one in them.


NB. 1st May, 1733. Due to the arrest, I burned and buried all papers that prove the possibility. However, I have left all demonstrations and experiments, since it would be difficult for anybody to see or learn anything about a perpetual motion from them or to decide whether there was any truth in them because no illustration by itself contains a description of the motion; however, taking various illustrations together and combining them with a discerning mind, it will indeed be possible to look for a movement and, finally to find one in them.
sorry about the post, it is what it is.
Orffyreus

edited to add; the pumping mechanism that I have been working to demonstrate is the one found in Mt 66. I have done builds for which I wish to aplogize for.

[johnny874]

  hmm,
I can see where I'm not missing anything by not posting any of the work I've been doing.
have let stefan know what I'm doing
kind of surprising (not really) that idea's aren't discussed in here.

edited to add; told one gal I know about the critics in this forum. she asked if I was going to prove those critics wrong. I told her no because they'll never be wrong, they'll just change their story.
at least now I can work in peace and take my time in working out the details.

[CuriousChris]

  hmm,
I can see where I'm not missing anything by not posting any of the work I've been doing.
have let stefan know what I'm doing
kind of surprising (not really) that idea's aren't discussed in here.

edited to add; told one gal I know about the critics in this forum. she asked if I was going to prove those critics wrong. I told her no because they'll never be wrong, they'll just change their story.
at least now I can work in peace and take my time in working out the details.

As far as developing idea's go, presenting what you have to date is a good way to get feedback. If all your feedback is positive it means you are presenting to the wrong crowd. You cant get it right 100% first time. All feedback especially the critical feedback is vital in discerning where your possible problems are.

If the critic is honest and you understand the criticism, present your solution to the criticism, an honest critic will asses your solution and either accept your solution or tell you why your solution wont work.

If you don't understand the criticism. Take the time to learn about what the person is saying, perhaps they understand whats going on better than you.

If you can't come up with a possible solution.  Then the flaw is fatal and its time to move on to something else. Why waste time trying to solve the impossible.

If you don't want a critical response then don't present anything until you have a confirmed working model in front of you. Not an almost confirmed working model where you just need to add a weight or make it bigger/smaller/lighter etc. Often that means your design is also fatally flawed. In fact in OU that has proved the case in 100% of ideas presented so far.

Flattery while its great for stroking the ego does nothing more than that. there are too many people on this forum that just flatter others. usually they don't have a clue about what the presenter is saying (often they simply don't have a clue) and so their flattery is pointless.