developing idea's

[CuriousChris]

johnny874 I would strongly recommend that you prove your critics wrong. If you believe your improvements will work then rather than comment on here. knuckle down as best you can (health withstanding) and get the job done.
If you succeed, get a patent pending and you will own the rights to the device. For anyone to say they thought of it first would require them to have patented it first. The new patent system makes filing date more important than invention date.
If someone says "here is my patent and it precedes yours". Then all you have to do is ask them to show it working based on their own patent. The working device will always trump the non working 'claim' and so far NO ONE has produced a working device. Although plenty claim to, I have never seen a working gravity wheel. So I think you are safe from that angle

So don't allow these guys to distract you, knuckle down to get it working.
That's my thoughts anyway.

CC

[johnny874]

   CC,
With Bessler's wheel, I am trying to demonstrate that Bessler's claims are legitamate.
This does not allow me to claim that I am the invetor. I have known other people who are interested in seeing a Bessler wheel work.
It may be that a principle as simple as 8 pumps working sequentially is something they can not uncerstand.
One thing I am keeping in the back of my mind is my test wheel might be able to be cleaned up for use as an attempt at a working wheel.
I think what some dislike is that Bessler
himself said he built many wheels. I've built quite a few myself so I could better understand how much over balance is needed and what might be good ways to conserve momentum. The design I'm working on is the best solution,

edited to add; Chris, would be best for me to wait until I have a place to work. I hoped to find someone to work with who had a place to work but something critics discourage.
Next month I will be going on long term disability which means thirty days of no income. This means about all I can do is try and work out some of the mechanics and try to come up with a design I like that won't be to difficult to build. One reason why is the wheel would need at least 16 primary levers. Then there is the gears they would work with.

[johnny874]

johnny874 "....milkovic's pendulum is not perpetual."

Right, and neither is yours by the looks of it. It will stay that way until you absolutely prove it by demonstrating an operational prototype. Announcing any kind of "discovery" with just drawings in hand won't do, it will only make you look foolish.... you must demonstrate it or it's just another drawing.

johnny874 "The improvement that would allow for it to work perpetually would make it my invention."

Would it? Prove it! Make the improvement.... Make sure it works.... Then make an announcement.

johnny874 "Also have been told in this forum that people should refrain from patenting ANY invention. If they are that charitable, then donating patent rights to charity should be something they're willing to do to show tbey're about something other than looking for a free energy."

Well, I don't know about all that.... Right now I'm too busy plastering the internet with the results of about twenty years of my own research, up to this point, on a truly new and unique design of my own (free of charge) here.... http://scienceforums.com/topic/26247-gravity-driven-mechanisms/ and here.... http://thecolemechanism.blogspot.com/ and even here.... http://www.overunity.com/1763/12-times-more-output-than-input-dual-mechanical-oscillation-system/msg339219/#new .... and that's just for starters. Anyone is free to follow my progress, replicate it, modify it.... or just ignore it! 

As far as going to the trouble of patenting something and then donating the patent rights to charity goes.... What's the point? Why bother going to all that trouble when you can just donate it to the world using the internet? Just a thought.

I don't want to argue with you (it looks like you have your hands full already) so I won't post any more in your threads, I'll just read them, besides.... I have to get back to work on my real physical three dimensional prototype.

Good luck man, something tells me you're going need it....

Emile

  Emile,
Go to the home page and read what it says, I think you and ALL of my critics have missed it.
To quote Stefan Hartman (hartiberlin) who owns this forum;
""  Free Energy Research Forum "". The definition of research from M-W.com
2: studious inquiry or examination; especially: investigation or experimentation aimed at the discovery and interpretation of facts, revision of accepted theories or laws in the light of new facts, or practical application of such new or revised theories or laws   While Stefan does have "open source" in front of free energy, he did not say that the originator of an idea must give up any recognition that would come with such a discovery if one were to happen.   
@CuriousChris, Here is what I am currently working on for a test wheel. It will allow me to do real world testing to work out the kinks in my (Bessler's?) design. And if possible, the test wheel may be modified so it could serve as a working wheel as well. Of course, the modifications necessary to do so might mean it would be simpler to just start over with what I'll have learned from the present work I am doing. Right now I am using Dremel tools because I am working at home. The link is to my photobucket account where i have saved some of my previous work. I have been told I have never built aanything before by one critic but the truth is that I have probably done more builds while posting in this forum than everyone else combined. Needless to say, I have been an active builder since I first decided to start building. And when others have no work to show, I expect nothing less than unwarranted criticism from individuals who only wish to be recognized for what they haven't done.

http://s979.beta.photobucket.com/user/bessler_supporter/library/

edited to add; have checked the link and it works.

edited to add; Emile, what people over look is any "free, open  sourced" idea would mostly only benefit the corporations that make it and sell, basically a free product for them. By donating the patent rights to charity, then people that are less fortunate than ourselves could benefit from it and this would keep greed out of why someone is interested in being a part of making an over unity device.
And from what I have found out, most people don't care to build. and if what I say is Bessler's wheel works, it's possible as I have been routinely discredited that it may be called my wheel instead. and if that were to happen, then the only form of protest I would have is to donate the patent rights. And since Bessler I believe was a devout Christian, I think it would be something that he would appreciate if it were to happen.

[Aemilius]

johnny874 "While Stefan does have "open source" in front of free energy, he did not say that the originator of an idea must give up any recognition that would come with such a discovery if one were to happen."

Right, I didn't mean to imply that. It's perfectly reasonable to want to enjoy the well deserved gratification that would come with making such an historic discovery as the kind we're all working on. Believe me though, for whoever comes up with a working prototype (in whatever area of investigation) there will be plenty of recognition, Jay Leno, CNN, book offers, movie rights, newspaper and magazine articles etc. Speaking for myself, that would be solid gold!
   
johnny874 "Here is what I am currently working on for a test wheel. It will allow me to do real world testing to work out the kinks in my (Bessler's?) design. And if possible, the test wheel may be modified so it could serve as a working wheel as well. Of course, the modifications necessary to do so might mean it would be simpler to just start over with what I'll have learned from the present work I am doing. Right now I am using Dremel tools because I am working at home.The link is to my photobucket account where i have saved some of my previous work. I have been told I have never built aanything before by one critic but the truth is that I have probably done more builds while posting in this forum than everyone else combined. Needless to say, I have been an active builder since I first decided to start building. And when others have no work to show, I expect nothing less than unwarranted criticism from individuals who only wish to be recognized for what they haven't done."

Without going into my opinion about the potential (or lack of same) for success when it comes to the bessler wheel itself.... Bravo! I looked at your photobucket gallery, that's some nice work man. I really should've asked you for more information before posting what I did....that's my fault, sorry.

johnny874 "....what people over look is any "free, open sourced" idea would mostly only benefit the corporations that make it and sell, basically a free product for them. By donating the patent rights to charity, then people that are less fortunate than ourselves could benefit from it and this would keep greed out of why someone is interested in being a part of making an over unity device."

Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree, not a bad thing. My feeling is that if or when a successful prototype of some kind (hopefully mine!) is finally unveiled as "free, open sourced" that many, many companies around the globe would begin producing them, keeping the price low by fostering competion. I'm afraid that's all pie in the sky at this point though.
   
johnny874 "And from what I have found out, most people don't care to build. and if what I say is Bessler's wheel works, it's possible as I have been routinely discredited that it may be called my wheel instead. and if that were to happen, then the only form of protest I would have is to donate the patent rights."

Understood.... For me the best revenge would be just knowing, (and knowing that my detractors know) that I was right, evidenced by wide spread acceptance and practical usage of my invention. What a day that would be!

johnny874 "And since Bessler I believe was a devout Christian, I think it would be something that he would appreciate if it were to happen."

No offence intended, but personally I think Mr. Bessler must have been an idiot. Either he was a fraud, which would explain why he never revealed the manner in which his invention operated, or he had a genuinely operational machine that would clearly have changed the course of history but was to selfish, shortsighted and small minded to see it. Whichever it is, I say he made the wrong decision and should be judged harshly for it. Just think how different things would be now if he had simply given it to the world.... just my opinion.

Take care, good luck, and may the best man win.... Emile

[johnny874]

  Thanks Emile. Unfortunately, some people in here believe idea's should be given freely with no credit given to whose idea it was.
With what i've been working on, the picture in the link might be the simplest way to build a das wasserad (water wheel).
If the orange line were a short lever, then it could be connected to the long lever. And when one curved board is pressed downward, it can press down on the one below it (c in the drawing).
This weekend, I'll be able to build a flat surface to lay the wheel I've been working on to trim it. I think sometimes when I have to much free time I tend to get ahead of myself.

http://i979.photobucket.com/albums/ae278/bessler_supporter/Das%20Wasserad/besslersmechanics2.jpg