Probality of God

[eatenbyagrue]

Slavery was permitted in the Bible because of sin in the world.  It existed before the Jews were formed as a nation and it existed after Israel was conquered.  God allows many things to happen in the world such as storms, famine, murder, etc.  Slavery, like divorce, is not preferred by God.  Instead, it is allowed.  While many nations treated their slaves very badly, the Bible gave many rights and privileges to slaves.  So, even though it isn't the best way to deal with people, because God has allowed man freedom, slavery then exists.  God instructed the Israelites to treat them properly.
  The Bible acknowledged the slave's status as the property of the master (Ex. 21:21; Lev. 25:46).
The Bible restricted the master's power over the slave. (Ex. 21:20)
The slave was a member of the master's household (Lev. 22:11).
The slave was required to rest on the Sabbath (Exodus 20:10; Deut. 5:14).
The slave was required to participate in religious observances (Gen. 17:13; Exodus 12:44; Lev. 22:11).
The Bible prohibited extradition of slaves and granted them asylum (Deut. 23:16-17).
The servitude of a Hebrew debt-slave was limited to six years (Ex. 21:2; Deut. 15:12).
When a slave was freed, he was to receive gifts that enabled him to survive economically (Deut. 15:14).
The reality of slavery cannot be denied.  "Slave labor played a minor economic role in the ancient Near East, for privately-owned slaves functioned more as domestic servants than as an agricultural or industrial labor force."1


Magzimus Leviticus

Yes, and in Exodus 21:20-21 it is said that you should not beat your slave so much that he or she immediately dies, but if the slave dies after a day or two, then that is alright, because the slave is your money, whatever that means.

And what is this business you say about tolerating murder?  The prohibition on murder is in the commandments.  How about another commandment: you shall not own other people?

The bottom line is that slavery is evil, and this ever loving god should have put something in his perfect word that deals with this beyond merely "regulating" it.  And even the regulations are not very humane.  It is still ok to beat your slaves, they just have to live a day or two after the beating.  If they die after that, it is no crime.

[wattsup]

This may help all of you concentrate more on overunity and less on overgoddity.
Just repeat it about 1000 times.
This will lower your resistance, increase your inductance and provide more reactance to your life.
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wattsup

[Gwandau]

No, I have the right end of the stick.  I never said the amoeba was two hundred times more complex than a human being (both of you made this same mistake).  I said in reply #1067 to hoptoad, "So, according to your logic, the amoeba dubia is 200 times more complex than humans and should have evolved into a much higher life form than people.  This isn't the case, so DNA disproves evolution and proves an intelligent designer or Creator (God)!". 

There is a small portion of the human genome that codes for proteins (less than 2% - genes).  The other 98% of the human genome is called junk DNA by evolutionists, saying it has no apparent purpose, that is until you account for millions if not billions of mutations based on random unguided processes that no longer have a phenotype in modern humans.  As scientists of the ENCODE project delved into the "junk"  parts of the DNA that are not actual genes containing instructions for proteins, they discovered a complex system that controls genes. It includes a system of  4 million switches that, acting like dimmer switches for lights, control which genes are used in a cell and when they are used, and determine, for instance, whether a cell becomes a liver cell or a neuron.  30,0000 genes coded with 4 million dimmer like switches for control shows much more complexity than the amoeba genome which is coded mostly for proteins with a lack of control switches.

DNA is very efficient without any bloated bits of code with no design overkill or wasted building resources, and this indicates an Intelligent Designer!

Gravock

Gravock,

When closely studying the developments in DNA research, a quite obvious question arises that call for an answer.

What makes scientists believe DNA to be the code behind the structure of the living organism? To me this seems to be nothing but a wild assumption.

There is not one single piece of evidence that DNA is responsible for the actual shape of any life form. Still we all take for granted that DNA is the code of Life.

The only functions known by science today that is linked to DNA is purely metabolic functions limited to single cells and nothing whatsoever beyond that. There is not one single evidence of DNA being the actual cause behind the multicellular structure of the organism.

One thing that clearly indicates this is the hitherto complete absence of new artificially manufactured organisms by man. At least one or two altogether new plant species would long ago have been the result of DNA modification experiments. But there is not a trace of such developement.

Instead everything we read about concerning DNA altered organisms are but locally induced intercellular modifications, so we seem to be completely limited to the alteration of the cell functions, such as the adding of genes from the animal kingdom into plants like the making of corn crops with hightened insectiside resistance or tomatoes by adding a fish gene creating tomatoes with more durable skin cell structure. The ability to incorporate animal DNA into plants indicates that the DNA functions are purely restricted to metabolic control of intercellular functions.

I personally believe DNA has nothing to do with the main structure of a specific organism, DNA obviously only controls and executes the metabolic functions of each single cell, just like an engine computer controls the function of the motor parts without controling the shape of the engine.


Now, were does this line of thought lead to, regarding the probability of god?

Well, as far as I am concerned, if this obvious inability to create new species continues to be a fact, this may actually indicate that the structure source for living organisms lies beyond our observable realm.

It's here the idea of an Intent behind it all comes in. Not neccessarily a god, like the ones depicted by religion, but likewise an Intent behind all physical form and function.

Now, if all life forms are the result of an all encompassing Intent, it also explains why there has not yet been one single evidence in the scientific community backing up the evolutionary theory of Darwin.

Likewise this explains the strange and sudden alterations in flora and fauna on earth, such as the sudden explosive introduction of new mammal species at the boundary of the Cretaceous–Paleogene extinction event about 65.5 million years ago.  The enormous abundance of new evolving mammals in this period highly questions the old Darwinian outlook, since many of these species evolved too swiftly to be the result of natural selection. Many of the known periods involving grand scale altering of life forms in the history of earth are executed within a very small time frame, clearly indicating the Darwinian theory of evolution as wrong.


Based on this I give the probability of Intent a 6 out of 10 probability.  (The probability of a subjective and caring god is obviously zero, since the only sign of such a deity is the belief of the faithers. Everything else on earth tells you there is no such discriminative caring god. But an indifferent Intent is something altogether different, and fully probable.


Gwandau

[hoptoad]

snip..  I said in reply #1067 to hoptoad, "So, according to your logic, the amoeba dubia is 200 times more complex than humans and should have evolved into a much higher life form than people.
snip..

Actually you said it in reply to Qwert. I only repeated what you had posted.
Cheers

[WilbyInebriated]

75 pages now... and still not a single shred of extant material evidence nor a logical proof has been presented by the godbots for the existence of their imaginary godfairy... 

imagine that!