Probality of God

[Magluvin]

And also humans have no free will, they gave it up to all kinds of people, gouverments-gurus-religion-et, you name it.
Humans gave away their power. That mean somone alse will choose for them, then they complain about it.
Then they want new leaders and it continue in a downwards spiral.


They are afraid of their power, they are afraid of taking the wrong choise-so they let somone alse choose for them.
At what cost ?, look around what do you see ?. Witch direction are we heading at ?.
This has to do with how we humans treat eachother, we will never get better than the weakest link in the chain!


Most humans dont want to take responsibillity for their lives, if we continue like this, that choise will take our lives.


If we want to go to the next level we have to take responsibillity.
Tecknology will be greater and greater- faster and faster, that mean we have to change our thinking. We cant solve
diffrences in the same way as in the past.


I agree that we focus so much on who is right- and who is wrong that we die in the prosess, human mind would rather die than beeing wrong.


Lets try pure logic, see if we can talk on that base.
It dosent matter what you and me belive if it lead us to kill eachother, it is simply wrong if we want to go to next level.
If we want to kill this race for good we are right and on course.


So that mean right and wrong dosent exist, only were do we want to go ?. Ok we want to adcance to next level. Then we have to support what works.
We have to support what take us there agree ?
If we can agree to discuss on that base we can continue to talk about what we can do to get there, if not there is no point in discussing this.


Tommy

Hey, another new guy. How ya doin? Welcome.    
You said this....
"And also humans have no free will, they gave it up to all kinds of people, gouverments-gurus-religion-et, you name it."

Everyone makes their choices whether they were pressured into it or not. You had the freedom and the free will to make your statement here didnt you? Nobody pressured you to do it did they?  Did you do it on your own, of your own free will?

Again, the rest of what you wrote is much of the same. What can I say that wouldnt waste page space?

What are people thinking these days? What were they thinking at any time in history?
Well we have some shining examples here.

Magzimus Leviticus

[Magluvin]

wattsup,

I soo agree,

but to simply be here and now seems to be the hardest of all things for most people.


"Life is not a problem to be solved, but a mystery to be lived."
                                                                 Baghwan Shree Rajnesh


It's actually quite fun to study the workings of a fanatic religious mind this close, since there is a very strange discrepancy between the actual religious experience of these guys and the totally absence of any critic or questioning when it comes to the incorporation of the dogmatic system chosen as the intellectual structure at hand, in these cases the dogmatuic system of Christianity.

I mean, these guys have had a deep and genuine religious experience, there is absolutely no doubt of that, but what is so unfortunate is the apparent dogmatic belief system permeating the very fabric of their experience. This is a spiritual trap that the mystics of eastern tradition and other shamanic diciplines since long have been aware of, but the Christian level of spiritual awarness unfortunately is limited to the confines of their dogmatic system.

Thus a spiritual Christian is bound to reside within the confines of his belief system, strangling his astral body to the narrow boundaries of Christian mythology. The same goes for many other belief systems created to gather as many members as possible, like Islam, Judaism or Hinduism among others.

A spiritual expereinece is an experience of transcendence, and in the midst of this state the mind is not there, making the Here and Now come rushing towards us in all its splendor. This moment is the moment where you stand at a fork in the road and have two opportunities.

Those few aware of this fork may succeed in keeping the balance upon the thin line of the Here and Now as an Enlightened person, like Jesus or Buddha, two persons with an identical experience behind their glory, or like all the other Enlightened ones who have visited humanity through history.

The other opportunity, which is the only alternative visible for most people going through a deep spiritual experience, is the descent from this exstatic state of mind down to the attachment of the experience with the dogmatic belief system.


All spiritual experiences are the same in essence, to give yourself up and fuse with a greater level of consciousness.  What most people being subjected to such experiences does not understand is that the mind plays a trick upon them in the process of returning to normal consciousness.

So the spiritual experience is genuine and global, a spiritual experience should be everyones birthright.  But the mind snatching claws of the dogmatic religious belief system is the very enemy to pure spirituality.


It's all such a mess here on earth. Both the ones against and the ones for are wrong, misled by their own invisible master, the mind.


Gwandau

"wattsup,

I soo agree"

Well of course you do, you kind honorable, caring person that enjoys Wilberts demeaning childish(devil child) comedy. 

Im glad you find it funny. And when it happens to you or your children or family members or even a little old lady across the street, you will just laugh and giggle your way to your happy place. Because that is your character that I will remember. Not that you dont believe in God. That comes easily as a reminder with the other.

Fools and hypocrites

Magzimus Leviticus

[WilbyInebriated]

So how about some 'facts' instead of just your close minded opinions.

here's a fact.

YOU haven't presented a SINGLE SHRED of extant material evidence nor a logical proof for the existence of your imaginary godfairy savior/creator friend.

but you're still here... trying to convince no one but yourself of the things you have faith in.

[Magluvin]

Wasn't Santa Klaus invented by Coca Cola ?
Wasn't the Bible invented by a Pope-King ?
(Who said: "I'll  keep them dumb, if you keep them poor")

If you are older than 5, and you still believe this mind setters,
You will have a long way to go to grow adult.

You will first have to fully understand and accept dualism,
And see the possibilities at equilibrium.

Peter

"If you look for (over)unity this way, you will never succeed.
Because you are single sided."

Ok. So 'we' as believers in God(that you dont believe exists) will never find OU because of our belief system?

But you. You have OU because you are not one sided. Please share your bounty!! You are pure genius free of the chains of a God.  Wow, you must have hundreds of ways to produce OU as a non believer. You are soo great.    Please show us your light so that we may believe in what you say.

Do you know what you are saying when you are saying it??? Think on it a bit.

Fool and hypocrite.

Magzimus Leviticus

[Magluvin]

here's a fact.

YOU haven't presented a SINGLE SHRED of extant material evidence nor a logical proof for the existence of your imaginary godfairy savior/creator friend.

but you're still here... trying to convince no one but yourself of the things you have faith in.

Hey Wilbert, whats uP?  Again, repeating Lucifers best! 

Will say it again for you Wilbert. You know the process and state of mind needed to get the proofs. You will not give it a go. You know very well that you are a 'fool', doing just as fools do, being foolish.

Tell me Fool. What method did you use to determine that God does not exist? You must have definitive evidence to come to your conclusions for your logical decisions on whether God actually exists or not. Or, you already know he exists and you are very angry with God for some reasons. Or you are just a fool.

Welcome back Wilbert. Some here enjoy your foolishness. They missed you. Aww.  You have fans.

Magzimus Leviticus