Probality of God

[hoptoad]

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"This creates a problem for the Darwinian mechanism. Natural selection preserves or "selects" functional advantages. If a random mutation helps an organism survive, it can be preserved and passed on to the next generation. Yet, the flagellar motor has no function until after all of its 30 parts have been assembled. The 29 and 28-part versions of this motor do not work. Thus, natural selection can "select" or preserve the motor once it has arisen as a functioning whole, but it can do nothing to help build the motor in the first place."

I just say WOW!  It seems to nail it right there, doesn't it ? It does not prove the existence of a personal God, but it sures proves the presence of some kind of design.
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It might help to weight the probabilities in favour, but not prove. Further investigation of the flagellar motor reveals that the primary (conical) base structure which forms the bulk of the motor is used for many other purposes by cells. It is a multipurpose component.

In its primary (conical) form it is used as protective armoury on the surface of cells in the form of protrubing (conical) pointed bumps.

With minor mutations, its primary form doesn't necessarily lose its utility, so a number of mutations may occur, which in themselves give no evolutionary advantage or disadvantage and simply remain as part of the primary form. Then one more mutation is all it may take to create either an advantage or disadvantage. An advantage will survive, a disadvantage will perish.

Consider Lamarckian evolution which builds on Darwins work, by showing that the pace of evolution is not just reactive to environmental influence but that living organisms are also proactive in their responses to environmental change, within their own lifetimes, producing changes in their own dna, thus creating a dynamic evolutionery process.

It may also be a mistake to think that evolution is necessarily an extremely slow, single step process, all the time. If you've ever watched the "Ice Age" animated movies, in one installment there is a flippant remark by one of the characters who says "What ? Am I a dandelion or something".

The dandelion in Australia is a remarkable testament to the reactive change of a species to sudden environmental pressure. Before and during the first few decades of European settlement, the dandelion was like it's daisy cousins and grew as a small bushy plant up to a metre in height and across. It sustained flowers on long tall shafts much like daisies still do.

Now after 200 plus years of European settlement, involving the continual "mowing" of grasslands by grazing livestock and various machinery, the humble dandelion has already evolved into a ubiquitous ground hugging plant with very short flower stems, perfectly at home in every livestock paddock and family backyard around the country. Thriving in their new squat form.

Nature has had more failed long term life experiments than successful ones though. But she has successes by the sheer number of variations produced. However, the evolutionary survival of any species is the exception, extinction is the rule.
99 percent of all life forms that have ever lived were extinct before man even looked upon the world.

Cheers

[WilbyInebriated]

I found this in another thread posted by TechStuf, and just had to post it here.

The article TS linked to adresses the probability of an intelligent design behind life, and its a nice article as a whole, but a bit into the article there is a certain part consisting of just a few lines that really really rocks.

Citing from the article:

"This creates a problem for the Darwinian mechanism. Natural selection preserves or "selects" functional advantages. If a random mutation helps an organism survive, it can be preserved and passed on to the next generation. Yet, the flagellar motor has no function until after all of its 30 parts have been assembled. The 29 and 28-part versions of this motor do not work. Thus, natural selection can "select" or preserve the motor once it has arisen as a functioning whole, but it can do nothing to help build the motor in the first place."


I just say WOW!  It seems to nail it right there, doesn't it ? It does not prove the existence of a personal God, but it sures proves the presence of some kind of design.

Gwandau

PS. Here is the link to the whole article, if anyone is interested.

http://www.discovery.org/a/3059

you're perverting the definition of 'proof'.

and read up on FPGA's (field programmable gate array's) and what they can "design"...  god's name is 'chip'... 

[hoptoad]

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"This creates a problem for the Darwinian mechanism. Natural selection preserves or "selects" functional advantages. If a random mutation helps an organism survive, it can be preserved and passed on to the next generation. Yet, the flagellar motor has no function until after all of its 30 parts have been assembled. The 29 and 28-part versions of this motor do not work. Thus, natural selection can "select" or preserve the motor once it has arisen as a functioning whole, but it can do nothing to help build the motor in the first place.
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P.S. The human genome project has help to reveal not just our genes, but also our alleles, the redundant or recessive code living within all of us. For every relevant gene that contributes to our uniqueness, there is an equivalent allele containing alternative code. But we are not using that code, or it is used only in support for and duplication of the dominant gene code .

In other words, up to a possible maximum of 50 per cent of each of us could be thrown out (not literally, physically, for biochemical stability reasons) and the deleted information would be unnoticed in its absence.

That's an awful lot of unneeded non functioning information that every one of us is comprised of.

But physical molecular stability is needed for that (dominant) information propagation, and alleles currently form the perfect slave solution for the dominant gene. If nature were to create a better, simpler design than the double helix for genetic information propogation, then redundant design codes might very quickly vanish.


Cheers

[Newton II]

On studying the evolution of animals,  we can observe that the lower level organisms like virus, bacteria, amoeba, hydra, sponges etc., donot die natural death.  These organisms die starvation deaths committing suicide.  Natural death starts from the formation of brain. (from arthropods?).    The notion of 'time'  becomes important only when animals die natural death and immeterial for animals which donot die natural death.

Has nature provided life after death in the form of spirits for all animals dying natural death to evolve themselves to higher level organisms? 

[ramset]

 
So We are on a road trip, A great big Pot of potential outcomes flying through space and time..... 

yesterday the Boss made this comment at Phillips Quenton thread
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hartiberlin 
I am getting sick of people who only have $ signs in their eyes !

Hey people, your last shirt will not have any pockets !

So where to stuff all the money when you are dead...?

We are here on earth to give and help others...
not to die rich...and forget the poor !

Please work on your Karma !

Regards, Stefan.

     
    Then  "W" said this

WilbyInebriated
     
well said! humanity will remain, for the most part, inhuman until people start to embrace such ideas. 
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Pockets and Hugs....... 

In my opinion this trip has a purpose,We're not just flinging crap on the wall to see what sticks.   

Go out and do something nice for someone today And don't get caught.........   


Chet