Probality of God

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Has anyone tried to give a probability figure yet. Hmmm. Lets see. Most statistical probability is referenced to something that is quantatively known. Usually the broader the range of quantities known, the more accurate their use as references.

What can we use as a known statistical reference? The number of grains of sand on the earth compared to the number of stars in our galaxy.

What are the odds of another known planet in our galaxy having the same number of grains of sand (give or take a few billion for locale error).  Given that our knowledge of any known planets around other stars is statistically miniscule compared to the number of stars in our milky way then we're already in hot water trying to give a probability even for that let alone a probability for the existence of a god.

It seems the only way to reference this is to look at the probability of our own existence. What's the probability of a whole universe springing into existence from nothing. ?  Since "nothing" is infinite, the probability against creation of something from nothing is infinite. So too, the probability of a god springing into existence from nothing is the same. Infinite against.

But we do exist in a universe here and now, which is proved simply by our obvious being. So, we may have came into existence against infinite probability (assuming a universe beginning from nothing), but we cannot prove the same is true for a god when there is no explicit evidence in the here and now. The probability against remains infinite.

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Back to the essence of the title of this thread - Probability (Probality ?) of God

The statistical mathematics of probability requires parameters.
How would a computer derive its parameters? Or more precisely, how would a programmer instruct a computer to derive parameters and what is the least amount of information exchange or storage necessary to process or store that derivation?

Purely in terms of machine language, the minimum possible parameters would be two, consisting of 0 or 1.

That is to say, a 50/50 probability. Something either IS probable, or it IS NOT probable.

Hmmmmm ...... KneeDeep ........ deep thought ...... 42

[Magluvin]

Apology accepted and forgiveness given without reservation.
P.S. Since you have indicated you did not intentionally lie, I retract my statement calling you a liar.

Thank you kindly.  And I mean it.  My respect level for you is heightened. Thats something that I care about.

In my life, I have friends that do not believe. These friends, we do not belittle each other. We have our talks. But we remain friends.  Who wouldnt want that the way things are. Some I suppose.. I may sound harsh at times. I dont have to be. But some times it is the only language that some can see that I am serious. I could post quotes from the Bible throughout my posts. But I know they will be targets for speculative rebuttal. I would not have any of that posted here. 

Many times I get the feeling I should. But I will only, when someone is serious about a nice discussion. I will not mix quotes from the Bible with those who totally consider it a fairytale. It becomes a waste of time. The seed of it being a fairytale has already grown. It has roots. Its not easy to change that. But it can be done.

So I have to pay attention to what you guys say. Closely. If I see faults in the logic you present, I point it out. If things get ugly, I put my self in a place that shows I will not back down for what I believe in. I have to use some language that does have teeth, for some will just beat down the passive. I started here defending my friends from verbal persecution. I would not kill anyone for my beliefs nor theirs. But if whom ever were to really threaten my life 'for my beliefs', and I were powerless, I would stand proud and and let them do as they would. I know where I will be when all is said and done.

I try to be softer than some with my comments. Most of my harsh posts are to hopefully get the person I am talking to, to maybe realize certain things about themselves and what they actually say, and maybe have a real conversation. I prefer that than this. Whether you end up staying on the same path or not.  It doesnt have to be a war. Other than our differences in spirituality, we may have lots to talk about.

Mags

[Magluvin]

Back to the essence of the title of this thread - Probability (Probality ?) of God

The statistical mathematics of probability requires parameters.
How would a computer derive its parameters? Or more precisely, how would a programmer instruct a computer to derive parameters and what is the least amount of information exchange or storage necessary to process or store that derivation?

Purely in terms of machine language, the minimum possible parameters would be two, consisting of 0 or 1.

That is to say, a 50/50 probability. Something either IS probable, or it IS NOT probable.

Hmmmmm ...... KneeDeep ........ deep thought ...... 42

Ive programmed machine language. The program would have to be developed into a higher language to make things more convenient and the amount of physical data would be tremendous. We wouldnt be able to leave anything out of the equation.

From my perspective, If what you say were to be done, I would invest my money on the God verdict. And my opinion is that evolution of the sort that we are told of is built into the design so that 'you' can possibly believe the way you do, if you choose so. Thats where free will comes to play. Which way will the free willed humans go? And as you can clearly see, there are some of each. Not that this proves anything to you. Im just stating my position. 

Mags

[CuriousChris]

I dont see any yelling. Are you a twister too?  Lying to beef up your empty arguments?

But I suppose that is the basis of your logic and you cant produce a serious fact. Just lies, deception, belittling, and science that is written by scientists you wouldnt trust to write the science. Your logic is beyond Alice in Wonderland.

Magzimus Leviticus     A child of the God of Abraham 

I asked the question some posts ago about your thoughts on street corner pulpits. you and the others deigned not to answer. Bruces responses are very reminiscent of those types of people. What I mean by this is rather than talking about the subject at hand he just tries to quote scripture a lot, failing to understand in the least that that is the least effective way of making a point on this forum and he has been known to SHOUT A LOT WHEN ANSWERING.

As for your attempted transparent claim I am twisting things. I asked a question. you did the twisting.

Can I assume because you took that as an insult that you believe those street corner shouters are a negative influence?

I AM INTERESTED TO KNOW WHAT YOU REALLY THINK OF STREET CORNER SHOUTERS?

[Bruce_TPU]

I asked the question some posts ago about your thoughts on street corner pulpits. you and the others deigned not to answer. Bruces responses are very reminiscent of those types of people. What I mean by this is rather than talking about the subject at hand he just tries to quote scripture a lot, failing to understand in the least that that is the least effective way of making a point on this forum and he has been known to SHOUT A LOT WHEN ANSWERING.

As for your attempted transparent claim I am twisting things. I asked a question. you did the twisting.

Can I assume because you took that as an insult that you believe those street corner shouters are a negative influence?

I AM INTERESTED TO KNOW WHAT YOU REALLY THINK OF STREET CORNER SHOUTERS?

I am not shouting.  I use all caps on certain words for "emphasis".  I use bold face for long rebuttels, so that the reader can determine easily, at a glance the questioner, vs the rebuttel.

I quote the Word of God, because man's "opinion" is nonsense, and it is only "God's opinion" on any given subject that counts.  Even if the reader does not believe in God, it does NOT (all caps given for emphasis, not shouting... ) change the truth of God's Word, nor the certainty of which it will come to pass.  "Heaven and Earth will pass away but my word shall abide forever."  "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every Word that proceeds from the mouth of God."

So, I share with the readers what the Lord's thoughts are on the given subject.  For that is REALLY what is important.   

P.S.  To answer your question, I do not judge another man's servant.  They serve the Lord.  That is between they and he.  How do I know he did not tell them to stand where they are and speak what they are speaking? 


Peace to you,

Bruce