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[Magluvin]

Thanks Guys !

Got the file now!

I'm not sure what to think though.  Nothing exotic or mysterious there. I see what he is doing and it's been tried many times before.  The secret ingredients are the motor and speed ratios.
You saw my test and there is no way my little motor is going to turn a big generator with a load on it. As it sits now he is increasing  the speed of the loaded motor at the last pulley of his reduction assembly to match the generator's required rpm.
He is in fact decreasing the available torque at the generator, and increasing speed.  I did just that and it does not work. If you decrease the size of the drive pulley you you can increase available torque at the generator but then you loose rpm and generating capability.  The one thing that remains a mystery is that liitle motor.  There is a large speed difference between a loaded motor and one that runs free. I'm sure that if his machine does what he says it will do he must have achieved the golden combination of speed reduction and motor run speed.

To make this thing work it comes down to exact speed ratios and motor nameplate data.

Vince

Probably not a good idea to divulge info from the 'files' till approved, from 'now' on anyways. ;]

Lets say that the gen is not loaded at its output. Would the motor run the gen to its running speed? Or is is as bad as driving the fan blade that came with the motor?

MaGs

[vince]

@ Magluvin

Let's just say that is the trick question. With the pulley ratios as I have them the motor should turn to the design loaded rpm of about 1700 and the unloaded (motor) generator should turn at close to 6000rpm.  Clearly the motor can only achieve about 5/8 of the required rpm and thats at about 30 to 40 amps 12volts.  The unloaded motor generator is clearly imposing a larger load than the original fan.
To see if the motor can get to speed I will have to keep decreasing the motor pulley until I can get a proper balance. The fact that there is such a speed variation between a loaded and unloaded motor makes it impossible to predict how it will react to a smaller pulley. Then you throw a load into the mix that little guy just can't handle it.

Vince

[e2matrix]

I wish I had all the motor - generator things I've seen that apparently did work all in one place.   I'm fairly certain some do indeed work and as I mentioned earlier in this thread if you find the link I gave discussing the Peruvian motor/gen amplifier on energeticforum which was thoroughly analyzed with drawings and math by an engineer on the the message board right there you'll see one way this can be accomplished.  I've seen similar effects in a number of designs and they all involved what I call a sort of power surge resonance caused by some non-symmetrical (or asymmetrical) setup.  Note also UFOPolitics (member at EF) who is another brilliant motor designer and his following on his Asymmetrical motor thread.  I think it may all be related in that asymmetry factor.   

So vince don't give up yet - just a single pulley motor and generator is not the same as what Inventacom has.  We can't always extrapolate from one setup to another when there are big differences or even small differences.  Sometimes all it takes is one little detail to make a world of difference.   

I'm going to try to pull out of memory some of the various motor generators that were apparently overunity.  This is not counting the magnet based ones that rely on magnet power to spin a generator. 
1 - Chas Campbell multi-flywheel motor generator - seen in Patrick Kelly's Free Energy book
1 - Witts motor and generator - vids look good to go but it's never been explained
3 - Peter Sumaruck's motor gen  'ZeroAmp Technology'

Actually if you just look in Patrick Kelly's 2000 plus page PDF book you'll probably find quite a few more than I can pull from memory at the moment.  There are more I've seen but can't pull up the details at the moment.

[TinselKoala]

 

[vince]

@e2matrix

Don't get the wrong idea. I'm not giving up! In fact I'm sure inventacom has this thing working.  I'm just sharing some of the information that I have from my quick tests.
Without giving away any of inventacoms information it"s hard to discuss details on the open forum.  Clearly there are details in his drive that I do not know yet but hopefully he can get in touch with us and give us more info.  The double reduction in his info is easy enough but the special gearbox is an unknown. Can't replicate it without more info.
My tests were just quick ones to see what that little motor could do and from what I seen it unusually strong for its size.

Vince