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Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY

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Void

Quote from: Grumage on May 18, 2013, 02:50:39 PM
I have attached my interpretation of the Test case as a schematic with a frequency of 750 Khz (the frequency I will use) which has determined the wire length of L5 @ 100 M. (1/4 wave of 750Khz)
I am hoping to get L4 wound tomorrow.
Please let me know if I appear to have made any mistakes?

Hi Grum. Hard to say if there are mistakes since you are just doing a test case, unless you mean mistakes from T-1000's exact intended test case. T-1000 should be able to help you with that. Otherwise, a couple of things. Although you can cut a wire length to about 1/4 wavelength for a given frequency, the actual frequency a coil will resonate at for a given wire length will be different than what that same wire would be resonant at if it were a straight wire. This is also affected by proximity of other objects, even for a straight wire. Also once you start combining coils together in close proximity and have other components connected in as well, this will further change the resonant frequency of your coil. So you have an actual resonance frequency for a coil that will be determined by what is connected to that coil, and what other components like other coils and other components are in close proximity to the coil, and even other components that are connected to the other coils that are in close proximity to your coil will likely affect the actual resonant frequency of your coil. All these other factors can make a big difference on the resulting actual resonant frequency of a coil. For example, change something that is connected to a primary coil, and it will likely have an effect on the resonant frequency of a secondary winding, and vice versa.

It all depends on what you are aiming for though. If you really just want a coil wound with a wire length that is about 1/4 wavelength in length, and don't care about the actual resonant frequency of the coil when it is connected into the circuit, and all the other components and coils are in place, then you could do it that way. Finding the exact resonant frequency of a coil when everything else is in place and connected in will probably involve some testing methods, such as driving the primary with a signal generator and tuning around to find the actual resonant frequency (where the voltage across the coil peaks) of a given coil circuit. There are other methods as well, but using a signal generator and a scope can make  things easier. Regarding the series resonant circuit formed by C2 and L4, you will probably find the L3 winding inductance also affects the resonant frequency of this series circuit, as well as the other factors I mentioned above will probably have some impact as well. It is probably easier to wind coils to approximate lengths and then connect into your circuit, and then use a signal generator at the input to tune around and look and see where various parts of your circuit are actually resonating at. You can then make adjustments accordingly from there.

Grumage

Quote from: Grumage on May 18, 2013, 02:50:39 PM
Good evening all.

I have been in contact with T-1000 and he has been able to give me a greater understanding of these devices, but I still have a heck of a lot to learn!! :)

I have attached my interpretation of the Test case as a schematic with a frequency of 750 Khz (the frequency I will use) which has determined the wire length of L5 @ 100 M. (1/4 wave of 750Khz)
I am hoping to get L4 wound tomorrow.

Please let me know if I appear to have made any mistakes?

Cheers Grum.

Addendum,  Photo 17 is Choke L5, it is 100 M 0f 0.6 mm @ 175 turns on 180mm Dia plastic former.

Grumage

Quote from: Void on May 18, 2013, 03:46:02 PM
Hi Grum. Hard to say if there are mistakes since you are just doing a test case, unless you mean mistakes from T-1000's exact intended test case. T-1000 should be able to help you with that. Otherwise, a couple of things. Although you can cut a wire length to about 1/4 wavelength for a given frequency, the actual frequency a coil will resonate at for a given wire length will be different than what that same wire would be resonant at if it were a straight wire. This is also affected by proximity of other objects, even for a straight wire. Also once you start combining coils together in close proximity and have other components connected in as well, this will further change the resonant frequency of your coil. So you have an actual resonance frequency for a coil that will be determined by what is connected to that coil, and what other components like other coils and other components are in close proximity to the coil, and even other components that are connected to the other coils that are in close proximity to your coil will likely affect the actual resonant frequency of your coil. All these other factors can make a big difference on the resulting actual resonant frequency of a coil. For example, change something that is connected to a primary coil, and it will likely have an effect on the resonant frequency of a secondary winding, and vice versa.

It all depends on what you are aiming for though. If you really just want a coil wound with a wire length that is about 1/4 wavelength in length, and don't care about the actual resonant frequency of the coil when it is connected into the circuit, and all the other components and coils are in place, then you could do it that way. Finding the exact resonant frequency of a coil when everything else is in place and connected in will probably involve some testing methods, such as driving the primary with a signal generator and tuning around to find the actual resonant frequency (where the voltage across the coil peaks) of a given coil circuit. There are other methods as well, but using a signal generator and a scope can make  things easier. Regarding the series resonant circuit formed by C2 and L4, you will probably find the L3 winding inductance also affects the resonant frequency of this series circuit, as well as the other factors I mentioned above will probably have some impact as well. It is probably easier to wind coils to approximate lengths and then connect into your circuit, and then use a signal generator at the input to tune around and look and see where various parts of your circuit are actually resonating at. You can then make adjustments accordingly from there.

Dear Void and menofFather.

Many thanks for the input. If I am correct choke L5 is designed to pick up the voltage at the ends of the wire, due to it being at 1/4 the wavelength of the series resonant circuit L3 C2 L4. I think that this is the area where as you said, attention to the resonance will be critical.

T-1000 told me that this is the first step in a series of tests, so we shall all have a greater understanding of how these devices work. The outcome of Test Case 1 and the scope traces seen at L6 will then determine how Test Case 2 should proceed. If I understood T-1000 correctly?? This device is, in effect, a Tesla single wire transmitter and reciever in one unit??

Cheers to all, Grum.


T-1000

Quote from: Grumage on May 18, 2013, 04:19:19 PM
Dear Void and menofFather.

Many thanks for the input. If I am correct choke L5 is designed to pick up the voltage at the ends of the wire, due to it being at 1/4 the wavelength of the series resonant circuit L3 C2 L4. I think that this is the area where as you said, attention to the resonance will be critical.

T-1000 told me that this is the first step in a series of tests, so we shall all have a greater understanding of how these devices work. The outcome of Test Case 1 and the scope traces seen at L6 will then determine how Test Case 2 should proceed. If I understood T-1000 correctly?? This device is, in effect, a Tesla single wire transmitter and reciever in one unit??

Cheers to all, Grum.

Yes, it is Tesla single wire transmitter and receiver in one unit with looping back to the source.. From first point of view it looks simple just when you start playing around it will appear complex enough.. :)

Also I would like to share something what one of my friends just tested:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlgvBepj3Xw
http://imageshack.us/f/153/imagebgg.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/f/24/imagejuhj.jpg/