Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY

[Grumage]

   For anyone with a "minimalist" point of view, and a self running device, all these measurement to prove the point to someone else may not be required.
  We are dealing with self running devices, not just another inverter circuit.

  Or like Geo's self running motor/generator powering his house. Just how would you go about measuring that??? 

  Aren't we getting ahead of ourselves, as no one here has a device that can show even being close to OU, in any form yet. Or able to run itself 24/7.
Even Geo's circuit is just an inverter, efficient, or not so efficient, until he can loop it.
If I'm wrong about this, just let me know.

  When I look at Akulas latest device schematic, I see many similarities to what we are doing here, especially on the main part of his oscillator circuit, which looks very similar to a Mazzili oscillator circuit. The rest of it may just be to control the duty cycle, frequency control, and overheating issues. However his type of coils and how they are wired are possibly the missing link. Again, not one person has been able to replicate even his first much simpler device, and show it self running, even dimly lighting the bulbs, without a battery.

Dear Nick.

I don't think anyone, anywhere could dispute a self runner !! If it was a self runner there would be no need for measurements at all !!

What is the issue is a means of being able to accurately measure input power to a device with the goal of ultimately, super efficiency. Or dare I say it, OU !! Then you can apply the loop !!

I agree with you as regards replication. Not one of us has succeeded in replicating GeoFusions original and really quite simple circuit !! It did however send me at a tangent but a fruitful one non the less, discovering for myself Ferro resonance. BUT as Hoppy has said on innumerable occasions without those accurate input measurements GeoFusions device may just be another "run of the mill " inverter !!

Cheers Grum.

[verpies]

Not wishing to sound contradictory,

It's good to question and analyze every statement you come in contact with.

but I thought you had said , on many occasions that the use of A/V meters was not suitable for use on the input of pulsed output type oscillators ??

Yes, I did but such inputs do not experience Pure DC.
They experience Pulsed DC and that's a wholly different animal.
Nonetheless, this W-->V converter can handle both pure DC, Pulsed DC (PDC), AC and AC + DC.

[Grumage]

It's good to question and analyze every statement you come in contact with.
Yes, I did but such inputs do not experience Pure DC.
They experience Pulsed DC and that's a whole different animal.
Nonetheless, this W-->V converter can handle both pure DC, Pulsed DC (PDC), AC and AC + DC.

Dear Verpies.

Well that is indeed good news!! 

I am in Skype contact with my friend as we speak and he does seem keen on your idea !! However he  has a move to larger premises in the "offin" so a prototype may be a little way off.

Cheers Grum.

[verpies]

For anyone with a "minimalist" point of view, and a self running device, all these measurement to prove the point to someone else may not be required. We are dealing with self running devices, not just another inverter circuit.

That's why I wrote that O/I power measurement is "one of two ways of determining OU".  The second one is a self-runner or a long-runner.

OU is Output Energy divided by Input Energy > 1.
Aforementioned W-->V converters can accurately measure HF AC Output Power and Input Power with an ordinary voltmeter. With an addition of long-term integration, they can also measure Output Energy and Input Energy, which is one of two ways of determining OU.

Or like Geo's self running motor/generator powering his house. Just how would you go about measuring that??? 

By connecting the W-->V converter between his contraption and a load while reading Watts on a Voltmeter's display.

Aren't we getting ahead of ourselves, as no one here has a device that can show even being close to OU, in any form yet. Or able to run itself 24/7.

No, because accurate power measurements give us the opportunity to estimate how far from unity a device is.
A self-runner gives us only information if a device has crossed the threshold of unity.

Do you have a child's play called "Hunt the Thimble" or "Hot & Cold" where you live?
Do you recognize the value of cues that you're getting from other players as you are searching a room for a small hidden object? Do you think that you could you find the hidden object as quickly if you did not receive any clues how far away from the object you were searching?

Also, the electrical output of some device might be incompatible with its electrical input requirements (e.g. frequency and voltage can be different) and self-looping might be impossible without consuming additional resources & time to construct a matching power converter.  However the W-->V converter would allow such determination without additional costs and time.

Anyway, on this forum we are constantly seeing claims of anomalous behavior based on faulty measurements of power, usually caused by the brightness of an eyeballed bulb or multiplying average volts and average amps on an input side.
This W-->V converter would end all that uncertainty.

When I look at Akulas latest device schematic,

Akula's device is a different issue. 
For the W-->V converter it is just another DUT.

I see many similarities to what we are doing here, especially on the main part of his oscillator circuit, which looks very similar to a Mazzili oscillator circuit. The rest of it may just be to control the duty cycle, frequency control, and overheating issues. However his type of coils and how they are wired are possibly the missing link. Again, not one person has been able to replicate even his first much simpler device, and show it self running, even dimly lighting the bulbs, without a battery.

Of course there are similarities. There are differences too.
A transformer is one of the most complex electronic components.  It has many electric, magnetic, temporal and spatial variables...and even more if ferromagnetic cores are used.  Getting all of them right is like finding a thimble in a room without anyone saying or singing any cues.
Oscillator's output can be described with much fewer variables than a transformer (current, voltage, phase and shape)

Most importantly the Modus Operandi is missing in the Akula's device, so all you can do is replicate precisely hoping that some subtle detail will not throw a monkey wrench in your endeavor.   Press power and pray....

[NickZ]

 "Press power and pray"....

  Yes, that sounds like the ticket. As all the mentioned engineers with all their test equipment have not found the way, yet, to self run even a single tiny led bulb.
Maybe "stumbling" on it, may be the best approach. Even "blindly", as you say.
Some of the best inventions have come out of such unconventional methods.
 
  As for me, the self runner will more than suffice. As I am not interested in more than simply lighting my house, not in eternally testing these devices.
I'll leave that to those interested.

  I do still see many similarities with what akula has done. Which is the ONLY one that has shown the self runner, in more than in one device.  Yes, there are others, also, but they are not telling all there is to know in order to replicate them. I hope that Akula is.