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[br549]

Hi a.king21. Sure, and I am not trying to discourage anyone. I am just trying to clear up what appears to be
some misconceptions. It's anyone's guess on what things Tesla may have discovered in his many
experiments and chose to keep to himself, or did not pursue because he was focused on other goals.  However misconceptions
aren't going to help anyone. I am still experimenting away on the Akula and Ruslan type devices whenever I have time, as I
haven't given up on those devices yet. Lots more experimenting to do there yet.
All the best...

Void: I agree, there is a lot of different directions and experiments that can be done. I know from experience that the majority of people that develop things, and present the information in patents usually leave enough detail out to prevent it's reproduction from the presented information. It's like most other things in life, it's not given to us on a silver spoon -- we usually have to dig for it. I have been working with the gernade coil which I wound the same way as everyone else, and have got about the same results, although I think that the gernade coil is where a lot of the magic is taking place. I have watched most of the videos but still don't understand what is going on with the coil, and how it is interacting with the input signals. I am not a coil expert, and never messed around much with radio and RF so I am still on a big learning curve. I am wondering about the 3 different coil layers, and how and if they somehow react with each other, of if the 37.5m gernade coil act as just one coil. I did and experiment where I calculated the resonant of each of the gernade coil layers, plugged frequencies into 3 seperate signal generators, and displayed them on my scope (note: image shown below. I divided the frequencies by 4 to make it easier for my signal generators. I was not able to include the frequency for the total gernade 37.5m) coil resonance, since I only had 3 signal generators.  I haven't drawn any conclusions on this yet (I could be all wet, not sure (won't be the first time :-)) but I did notice that the 12T and the 55T coils have 3rd harmonics of each other, and the 25T and the total gernade coil resonance are the 3rd harmonics of each other. It may be interesting to see where the peaks and nodes of a standing wave (8mhz) would show up or what happens when one or more of the coil / layer directions is changed to shift the location / phasing of the peaks. Anyway I just wanted to share my thoughts on this, and I am going to continue with my learning curve along this direction. Any input is appreciated.

- 12T coil = 6.5m = (48mhz)   (divided by 4 = 12mhz)
- 25T coil = 12.5m = (24mhz)  (divided by 4 = 6mhz)
- 55T coil = 18.75m = (16mhz)  (divided by 4 = 4mhz)
total (37.5m) gernade coil resonance = (8mhz)  (divided by 4 = 2mhz)

[lost_bro]

Void: I agree, there is a lot of different directions and experiments that can be done. I know from experience that the majority of people that develop things, and present the information in patents usually leave enough detail out to prevent it's reproduction from the presented information. It's like most other things in life, it's not given to us on a silver spoon -- we usually have to dig for it. I have been working with the gernade coil which I wound the same way as everyone else, and have got about the same results, although I think that the gernade coil is where a lot of the magic is taking place. I have watched most of the videos but still don't understand what is going on with the coil, and how it is interacting with the input signals. I am not a coil expert, and never messed around much with radio and RF so I am still on a big learning curve. I am wondering about the 3 different coil layers, and how and if they somehow react with each other, of if the 37.5m gernade coil act as just one coil. I did and experiment where I calculated the resonant of each of the gernade coil layers, plugged frequencies into 3 seperate signal generators, and displayed them on my scope (note: image shown below. I divided the frequencies by 4 to make it easier for my signal generators. I was not able to include the frequency for the total gernade 37.5m) coil resonance, since I only had 3 signal generators.  I haven't drawn any conclusions on this yet (I could be all wet, not sure (won't be the first time :-)) but I did notice that the 12T and the 55T coils have 3rd harmonics of each other, and the 25T and the total gernade coil resonance are the 3rd harmonics of each other. It may be interesting to see where the peaks and nodes of a standing wave (8mhz) would show up or what happens when one or more of the coil / layer directions is changed to shift the location / phasing of the peaks. Anyway I just wanted to share my thoughts on this, and I am going to continue with my learning curve along this direction. Any input is appreciated.

- 12T coil = 6.5m = (48mhz)   (divided by 4 = 12mhz)
- 25T coil = 12.5m = (24mhz)  (divided by 4 = 6mhz)
- 55T coil = 18.75m = (16mhz)  (divided by 4 = 4mhz)
total (37.5m) gernade coil resonance = (8mhz)  (divided by 4 = 2mhz)

Good day Br549:
This relates directly to your question regarding interactions of tuned resonant circuits:
This information is from Richie Burnett's web site, http://www.richieburnett.co.uk/operatn2.html#coupling....
I post it here because it is concisely explained:

FREQUENCY SPLITTING

The coupling together of two resonant circuits results in interaction. Although both resonant circuits are tuned to the same frequency, two different resonant frequencies will be produced when they are magnetically coupled together. This arises because each tuned circuit "sees" more of the capacitance in the other tuned circuit as the primary and secondary are increasingly coupled.

Energy exchange between the two resonant circuits results in "modulation" of the oscillations at the primary and secondary windings. In the last picture, these modulation envelopes are clearly visible (in blue) on both the primary and secondary waveforms. The envelopes produced are the same shape as the beat envelope produced when two dissimilar frequencies interfere constructively and destructively. The modulation envelope is sinusoidal in shape.

In the lower graph with k=0.1 the frequency of the beat envelope is roughly 21kHz. This corresponds to that produced when two frequencies that are 21kHz apart add together. In practice the frequency spectrum consists of two resonant peaks, one at 209kHz and one at 230kHz. (RF engineers will recognise this as the characteristic of a Double-Sideband suppressed carrier radio transmission.)

If the coupling is decreased, the frequency of the beat envelope decreases, and the two resonant peaks in the frequency response move closer together. If the coupling is increased, the frequency of the beat envelope increases, and the two resonant peaks in the frequency response move further apart. This is known as "frequency splitting" and is a natural characteristic of two coupled tuned circuits.



The "double-humped" frequency response (top graph) of the complete system can easily be plotted by doing a frequency sweep of the complete Tesla Coil with everything in place and tuned correctly. In order to do this the HV supply is left off, and the spark gap is shorted. The primary circuit is driven from an RF signal generator and the amplitude of the electric field produced by the secondary is monitored by a remote antenna. The amplitude of the secondary field is then plotted against the frequency, as the signal generator is swept across the frequency range of interest.



The graph below shows such a plot produced by a computer simulation package for a variety of different coupling coefficients. The natural resonant frequency of each of the primary and secondary circuits is 218.7 kHz when they are physically separated. As they are brought physically closer together the coupling coefficient k increases and the two resonant peaks move further apart.

The upper and lower resonant frequencies are mathematically related to the natural resonant frequency and the coupling coefficient k as shown:

Fl = Fn / sqrt ( 1 + k )

Fu = Fn / sqrt ( 1 - k )

Where:

Fn is the natural resonant frequency of the primary or secondary circuits in isolation,

Fl is the frequency of the lower peak in the double humped response,

Fu is the frequency of the upper peak in the double humped response,

From this it can be seen that as the coupling approaches unity, the lower peak tends towards 0.707 x Fn and the upper peak tends towards infinity.

In practice this frequency splitting only occurs whilst the spark gap is conducting. Once the spark gap has quenched the secondary tuned circuit rings at its own natural resonant frequency without the influence of the primary circuit. Therefore the frequency spectrum of an operating Telsa Coil consists of the two peaks of the double-humped response plus the natural resonant frequency of the secondary winding. The contribution of the double-humped "sidebands" decreases as the spark gap is made to quench earlier. The graph below was obtained using a Spectrum Analysing RF Receiver to examine the frequency content of the Secondary voltage field.



The main peak around 219kHz is the free resonating frequency of the secondary and appears due to the secondary ringdown after the spark gap quenches. The two peaks either side (approximately 12dB down) are the peaks of the double-humped response (first graph). These peaks appear due to the response of the coupled primary and secondary tuned circuits before the spark gap quenches.

In this plot the frequency response appears to decay quite slowly either side of the double-humped response. This "blurring" of the frequency response and also the small ripples are due to the fact that the Tesla coil is repetitive and not a continuous device. The repetitive nature of the Tesla Coil gives rise to this distortion of the frequency plot.

The high frequency noise above 2MHz is believed to be due to stray resonances in the primary circuit and possibly overloading of the receiving antenna system.

The peak at 1MHz is a marker generated by the spectrum analyser, which I forgot to turn off, and has nothing to do with the Tesla Coil operation at all !


In summary the natural resonant frequency and the coupling coefficient of a running Tesla Coil can be estimated from either the secondary voltage waveform or the frequency spectrum of the secondary voltage using the formulae above. Either of these can easily be observed from a safe distance using a simple voltage probe and oscilloscope. Information about the quench of the spark gap can also be gained from examining the secondary voltage field. Alternatively all of the resonant frequencies can be found safely by doing a sweep test with a signal generator.


Please see attached pics. for further explanation:
take care, peace
lost_bro

[magpwr]

Void: I agree, there is a lot of different directions and experiments that can be done. I know from experience that the majority of people that develop things, and present the information in patents usually leave enough detail out to prevent it's reproduction from the presented information. It's like most other things in life, it's not given to us on a silver spoon -- we usually have to dig for it. I have been working with the gernade coil which I wound the same way as everyone else, and have got about the same results, although I think that the gernade coil is where a lot of the magic is taking place. I have watched most of the videos but still don't understand what is going on with the coil, and how it is interacting with the input signals. I am not a coil expert, and never messed around much with radio and RF so I am still on a big learning curve. I am wondering about the 3 different coil layers, and how and if they somehow react with each other, of if the 37.5m gernade coil act as just one coil. I did and experiment where I calculated the resonant of each of the gernade coil layers, plugged frequencies into 3 seperate signal generators, and displayed them on my scope (note: image shown below. I divided the frequencies by 4 to make it easier for my signal generators. I was not able to include the frequency for the total gernade 37.5m) coil resonance, since I only had 3 signal generators.  I haven't drawn any conclusions on this yet (I could be all wet, not sure (won't be the first time :-)) but I did notice that the 12T and the 55T coils have 3rd harmonics of each other, and the 25T and the total gernade coil resonance are the 3rd harmonics of each other. It may be interesting to see where the peaks and nodes of a standing wave (8mhz) would show up or what happens when one or more of the coil / layer directions is changed to shift the location / phasing of the peaks. Anyway I just wanted to share my thoughts on this, and I am going to continue with my learning curve along this direction. Any input is appreciated.

- 12T coil = 6.5m = (48mhz)   (divided by 4 = 12mhz)
- 25T coil = 12.5m = (24mhz)  (divided by 4 = 6mhz)
- 55T coil = 18.75m = (16mhz)  (divided by 4 = 4mhz)
total (37.5m) gernade coil resonance = (8mhz)  (divided by 4 = 2mhz)

hi br549,

Interesting finding indeed.
I do agree all of us inidividually got different answers.

Looking for answer i look up to Vasmus circuit at the tunable receiver stage.

The multilayer coil we have assembled is the "fixed receiver coil" but i think that this should not be connected to bulb at all.
But instead to the 3 turns via capacitor so that there is mixing between high kacher frequency which would be  present in the receiver/mulitayer eg:48,24,12 coil and with low frequency from PWM generator.
The 25 turns x 2 bifilar coil would be the output.(In vasmus the 15 turns x 2bifilar is the output to bulb not forgetting the HV coupling capacitors)


Nothing is confirmed until i have finished soldering remaining stage of my circuit to verify this.
At this moment my circuit is incomplete due to flu since Sunday.I have just completed debugging a weak connection at my 74HC132 base PWM generator last night.

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I am trying to associate these dual frequency we are working on with this Corum lightning ball experiment.
http://home.dmv.com/~tbastian/ball.htm

There are few key  sentence in the above site of interest-

-
developed equipment that will produce electric fireballs "that will last after the external power is removed"

-
it became apparent that the fireballs resulted form the interaction of two frequencies, a stray
                     higher frequency wave imposed on  the lower frequency oscillations of the main circuit

[John.K1]

hi br549,

The 25 turns x 2 bifilar coil would be the output.(In vasmus the 15 turns x 2bifilar is the output to bulb not forgetting the HV coupling capacitors)

Vasmus is using Permalloy strip in his toroid. Is it a catcher or shielding?
Cheers

[magpwr]

Vasmus is using Permalloy strip in his toroid. Is it a catcher or shielding?
Cheers

Hi John.K1,

I am using this type of toroid instead of yoke.
It's just a excellent core which is more efficient than ferrite.