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Kapanadze Cousin - DALLY FREE ENERGY

Started by 27Bubba, September 18, 2012, 02:17:22 PM

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verpies

Quote from: itsu on October 20, 2015, 01:39:26 PM
Obviously this 2KV moustache like signal i cannot feed back into the PLL, so it must be dampend.
But dampening it with a resistor transforms the signal to be like the purple one, different shape, but also different phase!
Yes, this dampening is called "burdening" and is required for a current transformer.
The lower the resistance of the burden resistor the less phase offset between the current flowing in this resistor and the current flowing in the measured circuit (primary).

Overdoing the burden current can lead to core saturation.
Use a Rogowski Coil (without an integrator) if this is a concern.
Rogowski coil also outputs a voltage signal which is 90ยบ phase shifted from the voltage signal of a perfectly burdened current transformer.

itsu

QuoteDivider and unwinding some turns might help.


Jeg, 

ok, i used just 1 turn and made a voltage   divider of 1:10 (1K + 10K resistors).
Now the signal is moustache like and manageable for the PLL, but it still does not peak on the current max. (green trace).  Instead it peaks on the voltage max.

Yellow is voltage across the coil (inductor)
Green is current through this coil (inductor)
Blue is dampend current transformer with 10 Ohm
purple is 1 turn current transformer with 1:10 voltage divider (1K - 10K)


verpies,

so my assumtion that the screenshot in my last post shows an undampend moustache like (yellow trace) signal caused by saturation of the core is wrong?
Instead the purple trace might be showing an overdampend current transformer and has saturated the core?

Itsu

itsu

Quote from: T-1000 on October 20, 2015, 02:43:33 PM
For PLL loopback input you need current sense on the yoke input from push-pull circuit. So when there is max current it should be the moment of fire for the Tesla coil.
Also you need to reach power output amplification like in https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEBLgIbxP3o where it happen as soon as Tesla coil is getting switched on with fuse to higher voltage into primary coil in video. One thing to mention about ferrite rod on Tesla - Ruslan could not get proper frequency so he lowered Tesla frequency with help of rod there. (And the current sense toroid is seen on 2:31 in the right edge  - also in the https://youtu.be/e3AJ9fy4tB0?t=3m35s on the ground side from the grenade coil)
And the series LC resonance on yoke should not kill itself when you bring more load like it does currently - this indicates problem somewhere in push-pull circuit.
And as always, the power source has to be not from the main grid and not grounded.

P.S> The grounding cable in https://youtu.be/e3AJ9fy4tB0?t=10m38s seems was one from http://www.elandcables.com/cables/h01n2-bs-en-50525-2-81-welding-cable series.

T-1000,

i think my current transformers are where you mention they should be (like on the diagram), but i cannot get them to peak on the current, instead they peak on the voltage.

See above screenshot.

Regards Itsu

Hoppy

Quote from: T-1000 on October 20, 2015, 02:43:33 PM

And the series LC resonance on yoke should not kill itself when you bring more load like it does currently - this indicates problem somewhere in push-pull circuit.
And as always, the power source has to be not from the main grid and not grounded.


It may not be a pure series LC circuit, more a series circuit with parallel resistance. Although the resistance in the form of lamps is not directly across the Inductor coil, I suspect it is still having an effect on the resonance as its effectively in parallel across the grenade which forms the secondary of a transformer who's primary is the inductor coil. If this is the case, then the resonant frequency can step up slightly with progressive resistance changes, as reported by Itsu. See: http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/alternating-current/chpt-6/resonance-series-parallel-circuits/

NickZ

Quote from: Hoppy on October 20, 2015, 12:55:17 PM
Nick,

Edit: The cap after the FWBR next to the bulbs would probably be anything from 10uF upwards at 100V or more.

  Ruslan is holding the cap in his hand, it reads 100wv, 2200uf.  The video I posted the link to? Minute 8 +.
As each diagram Ruslan comes up with is different, I'm not only pointing out about the value of that capacitor shown at the bulbs, but also, that that is the video of the device that I'm working towards. Not the newer 4000w version. And both coils (3 turn, and 28turns) are wound in separate induction circuits, and are not connected to one another.  I "choose" the separate LC circuits, route, also.

  I connected my set up back together  Mazilli/yoke/grenade/Kacher.  Preliminary results are not showing additional resonance "effect" from the syncronization.  More tuning is necessary, as I had suspected. 
  Where is that wind goose? ........  The chase continues.