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New comer needs any and all help

Started by jhsmith87, October 04, 2012, 12:42:28 PM

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TinselKoala

Quote from: jhsmith87 on October 11, 2012, 01:12:52 AM
For some reason the attachment won't load on my phone. I don't really understand what u mean by disc. Did the wire get wrapped on the disc. And what do u mean by tested the transistor out. How did u do that and how do u know u passed or failed the test..
Glad u got your coils done. Wait on me to do mine now ha. I'll have the wire tomorrow. I guess I'll get at least 2lbs of 22 and 26g

I explained the disks in the previous post and they are clearly shown in the video: nothing more than the ends of the bobbin spool.

To test the transistor and the coil the easiest way is to put them into a working circuit and see if they work properly. If it fires the NE-2 at the appropriate time, then the transistor and coil are working !  So this is what I did. I had a 2n3055 mounted and wired up to a connector block from some earlier tinkering and so I know that transistor works. I hooked the new coil to it and stimulated it with the magnets and observed the neon pulsing. Therefore I know that the coil works, at least to pulse the transistor and fire. The oscilloscope traces confirm that I am not just seeing a flash, but I also am seeing the drive coil being pulsed by the main battery power just before the flash. I realize that you probably don't have an oscilloscope, but many people reading this thread probably do, and Bedini waveforms have been posted many times in many places. My illustration of the scopeshots, showing waveforms that look just like Bedini's, should convince anyone, (except the trolls) that the coil works, the transistor works, and the only reason why a rotor might not turn is because my core might not be adequate.... and to determine that I know of no other way than to build a rotor and test it, which I will probably do tomorrow.
Since you are starting from scratch, you could test your transistor with a battery and flashlight bulb as described earlier, or just forge ahead with confidence and build the complete circuit and test it as I showed in the video, with a drill spinning some magnets. Then when you build a rotor you will at least know that your circuit works and you just will need to find the right spacing between rotor magnets and coil core. You will probably find that the spacing is less critical with weaker magnets but you will need to be closer with weaker magnets and might need a stronger starting spin to get the motor running.

If you get two pounds of each gauge wire you will have enough to wind probably four complete coils or even more.

WilbyInebriated

Quote from: TinselKoala on October 11, 2012, 06:58:05 AM
I'm sorry, jhsmith87, but Wilby seems to be my own personal troll and he follows me from thread to thread with the same old same old tired and irrelevant stuff. I was hoping he would behave and not start up, but as you see..... it didn't work out that way. It's my own fault for peeking.... he's on my ignore lists and I usually don't even read his posts.


You ask about these discs..... the coil is wound on a form, typically called a bobbin. It's like a spool of thread. It has a cylinder portion (the core) which in my case is just a bolt, and it has the disks, the round ends that are disk-shaped that keep the wire from coming off the ends of the bolt. I used a hole saw to cut a couple of holes in a piece of thin plywood and kept the "holes"... the disk-shaped cutouts that wind up inside the hole saw. These I sanded smooth and used as the ends of my coil bobbin. It makes a thing like a thread spool: two disks and a bolt. With a bit of heatshrink tubing on the bolt so the disks are spaced apart correctly. Then I wound the wire strands onto the bolt, between the disks, and I also used one of the disks as supports for the wire ends, as you can see in the video.

You can see these, I hope, very clearly in the photo I posted and in the video I linked. And I also hope you can see the neon is flashing when the magnet triggers the transistor through the coil, and that the circuit is just as Bedini described in the diagram he drew himself that I posted. And I also hope that you can see that, in spite of Wilby's irrelevant objections, that the scope shots are just what is expected from a Bedini coil. The only part that is "iffy" in my mind is my use of the thin bolt for the core. I suggest you do whatever you like for your own core, and to keep Wilby happy, please don't refer to my coil as a "Bedini Coil"... since its core isn't made of finishing nails or welding rods.

Now..... I have found that bearing systems give people a lot of trouble if they do not have access to precision machine tools. My solution to this is to recommend, and use, pivot bearings made from setscrews and pointed shafts. These can be extremely low friction and are very easy to construct. The disadvantage is that they work best if the shaft is vertical rather than horizontal. Bedini's North Pole Motor is generally shown with a horizontal rotor shaft, for a rotor that is in a vertical plane. I intend to try to build my example motor with pivot bearings and a vertical shaft, with the rotor in the horizontal plane. This may not work out because of the side loads due to the magnet interactions with the single coil, so I may have to use bushings or ball bearings in spite of my plan. But... will I be attacked by trolls, nattering that this is therefore not a Bedini motor? Probably. However, they will probably be unable to tell me what the significant difference in performance might be. Especially when I use it to charge a battery or a capacitor..... as I already have done with the "no moving parts" version in a video I just posted.

sorry jhsmith... i'm done in your thread. tinselkoala continues his bullshit and took pokes at me in 3 out of his 4 paragraphs above. even after you politely asked the pissing contest to stop. out of respect for your request i'm not going to engage him but that also excludes me from assisting you because he wont stop with his constant strawman fallacies...

never did i say or claim any of the things he is now claiming or implying i have said... in point of fact all i did was ask him why he was going to call it a 'bedini coil' when he has totally deviated from bedini's schematic.

he is in fact so predictable i should have left him alone... but he named it that to poke my buttons. as he admitted when he said he did it to piss me off... ::)

good luck with your project.
There is no news. There's the truth of the signal. What I see. And, there's the puppet theater...
the Parliament jesters foist on the somnambulant public.  - Mr. Universe

Paul-R

Quote from: TinselKoala on October 11, 2012, 07:12:44 AM


To test the transistor and the coil the easiest way is to put them into a working circuit and see if they work properly. If it fires the NE-2 at the appropriate time, then the transistor and coil are working !  So this is what I did. I had a 2n3055 mounted and wired up to a connector block from some earlier tinkering and so I know that transistor works. I hooked the new coil to it and stimulated it with the magnets and observed the neon pulsing.
I wonder if this helps as well:

http://www.kpsec.freeuk.com/components/tran.htm

jhsmith87

I'm not asking and I hope you don't leave all I'm asking from anyone here is information if your information is different from anothers that don't make either 1 of yours wrong. I sincerely  hope you both can understand that I'd rather just to get helpful information and hope that you could put your personal differences aside for a while there's no need for either 1 of you to leave or stop helping me simply because you can't get along with the other.
I really don't help you leave I would like to hear what information or directions you may have. And if you feel uncomfortable or just don't want to post any information in this thread I would be glad to hear your information through a private message.

But back to the point. I'll be going get the spool wire today. The guy that I get it from doesn't have a large variety of sizes. It's usually an even number gauge, like 18 gauge 20 22 24 and so on. I wasn't able to get the neon at Radio Shack yesterday. Or anything else for that matter. I was rushed for time and didn't realize how late it was. Very nice video I think I should be able to follow along with that my only concern is the neon. Is there any way I can make it without the neon or with something in place of the neon or any other type of bulb that I might find at all hardware or auto parts store.

Back to the wire please inform me what day does she get I was thinking 26 and 22 gauge. Also let me know about my situation with the neon. Oh and I almost forgot I do have a bit of a situation with resistors as you know I got 1 eighth wat resistors 1 k 100 K and if I'm not mistaken 470 ohms. But all were fourth wat or eighth wat. But as I said before I do have many resistors from the old electronics parts. So if the resistors I got are a big problem and cannot be fixed please let me know the color band on the resistors I need. Tesla keep the videos coming man I found a very informative thank you.

jhsmith87

 okay guys along with getting the magnet wire, I think I might make a trip to Radio Shack today. So I'm asking again before I head down there, can someone please tell me if and what bulb I can find a Radio Shack to use. Also the exact correct resistors  needed. 100 ohm 1/4 watt 1/2 watt 100k ohm 1/4, 1/2 watt or what. And if they don't have those because I was down there the other day and didn't see any 100 ohms. So if I don't find what I need what else can I get to substitute.