Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE

[poorpluto]

Well,

There is a thread showing a running generator with no back emf, surely based on the same principles as the Figuera patent with the rotary coil, patent #30376 ...

Cannot agree more with you on this one.. But unfortunately NO one here (afaik cmiiw) has ever replicated rotary coil in patent #30376, has anyone?

@Bajac

The Lorentz force should always be present but the electric field force can be considered negligible.

I know Lorentz force is always present but I doubt how strong its magnitude in generator whether conventional or Figuera's.
You may take a look at this video to see what I meant with Lorentz force (back torque) www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1PWnu01IQg
For example, in a generator, a conductor 10 m is moving through a B field 1 T with velocity 10 m/s --> V induced = B v l = 100 V
then we draw 10 A therefore the power out is 1000 W. Here comes Lorentz force directed by Lenz law trying to to stop the conductor. The current in conductor will experience a back torque, F = B I L = 1 x 10 x 10 = 100 N acting in velocity of 10 m/s, so P counter = F v = 100 x 10 = 1000 W, this is what we have to input, no excess energy.
IF the formula of Lorentz force on current-carrying conductor which is F = B I L is true for both conventional generator and Figuera's rotary coil, then there's no way we can reach overunity. Figuera's rotary coil generator will give an overunity only if F = B I L is not applicable to it. Regarding Hanon's concept that using two opposite poles will cancel the drag, I don't see it true, applying simple right-hand rule still result a drag.

It seems an interesting concept but I still do not understand completely. You can make a better argument if you provide all details how the signals are injected, what to expect in the induced coils, and why it is overunity. For example, the stepper motors use two signals shifted 90 degrees only. The signal you showed have an (absolute) time shifting of 180 degrees approx. Why do you think there will be a rotating resultant magnetic field? How will the resultant magnetic field produce overunity? Can you show a sketch with the sequence of operation expected for this device?

At this time, I can't give the explanation in detail since it's a half baked idea and yet unproven. Instead, I'm trying to give a simple principle behind that: to induce a voltage with flux cutting, something must rotate. If the thing which rotates is physical, it will suffer a back torque. But if the rotating one is only the field, it won't suffer any back torque (Hanon once posted about D. RAFAEL MARTINEZ GUTIERREZ's patent somewhere here which utilizes a rotating field principle) and we don't need any rotating part.
But apparently the back torque can be minimized even if we use rotating part like in syairchairun (see Hanon's link above), James W. German, Ecklin-Brown Generator, and of course in no-one-replicated Figuera's rotary coil. Thanks in advance.

Regards

[ignacio]

[hanon]

According to the image attached in the previous post by the user Ignacio, there are three possible methods to excite the two series of electromagnets:

1- Using the conmutator described in the 1908 patent

2- Using a pure sine wave DC-AC inverter adding a diode (I suppose that the diode is used to eliminate the negative part of the signal)

3- Using a system of relays (that I can not understand as it is described in the image). I suppose that the output signal from the relay system is a pulsed signal.

Note: As I can guess from the image, the drawing of the circunference and the ondulated line inside ,which is the international symbol for AC current, seems not be used here with that significance, but just to represent a variable signal.

[ignacio]

According to the image attached in the previous post by the user Ignacio, there are three possible methods to excite the two series of electromagnets:

1- Using the conmutator described in the 1908 patent

2- Using a pure sine wave DC-AC inverter adding a diode (I suppose that the diode is used to eliminate the negative part of the signal)

3- Using a system of relays (that I can not understand as it is described in the image). I suppose that the output signal from the relay system is a pulsed signal.

Note: As I can guess from the image, the drawing of the circunference and the ondulated line inside ,which is the international symbol for AC current, seems not be used here with that significance, but just to represent a variable signal.

1- Powered by  half of pure sine wave, described in pat. 1908
2- Using half of pure sine wave, an inverter it changed to 100 or 120hz
3- relay set  to cut electricity network, for feedback
4- Note: they are symbols of ac, in the 1- is wrong because it is half wave

1-   Alimentado con mitad de la onda sinusoidal pura, descrita en pat. 1908
2-   Uso de la mitad de onda sinusoidal pura, de un inversor o invertir
3-   Juego de relé, para cortar la electricidad de la red, para retroalimentación
4-   Nota: son símbolos de ac, en el 1- está mal, ya que es la mitad de la onda

[a.king21]

hanon: I've had a nagging doubt about the Figuera patent for a while now and it stems from a genuine misunderstanding I once had with an import export mess-up from Spain.
I mean that words have different meanings in different cultures.
Is it possible that Figuera was referring to the fact that he could get AC from DC very
simply using his method?
At that time most generating plants would be on DC, and it would cost a fortune to
convert to AC.
Figuera's device as an industrial grade DC to AC converter would have been worth millions anyway.
Could you re-examine the patent from that point of view?