Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE

[forest]

Let me tell you my thoughts. Everything is connected. I spent many years solving unsolvable software problems - everything can be solved either permanently or (most common) - using workaround method. Finally, some very troublesome problems became obviously simple if the "hidden layer" is uncovered - an ugly and kept in secret bug in hardware for example ...
In  case of Figuera the secret is real device or its pictures. I bet there is at least one picture or better drawing somewhere, the efforts and money spent by Buforn for years confirm that.
When real device finally materialize you will find that many of us have been close to it and the solution is in combination of all  good ideas. In my opinion Marathonman is now the closest to the working device, but there are still some questions.
My first question is : why engineers abandon the dynamo with ring core presented by Marathonman ?


@Marathonman, you didn't answered my question : where did you find that dynamo picture, in what old book ?


@antijon
I think it's quite obvious that the Cook patent was used extensively in many later devices and patents, but the period of 1870 -1900 is not easily searchable in online patents databases ;-)

[NRamaswami]

@Antijon:

I do not know theory. I understand that pulsed full positive sign wave is considerd as pulsed DC by some or AC by others. Similarly there appear to be two schools of thought. That Lenz law is a natural force and nothing can avoid it and backemf will be present always. To the contrary is the school that teaches that Backemf can manifest only if the magnetic field collapses. In Figueras device because the current was undulated DC with a different wave form than pulsed DC the iron always remained a magnet and the magnetic field never collapsed. Becauase the magnetic field never collapsed to zero there is no back emf. I have circuits using pulsed DC but they end at +5 and it is said that there is no back emf in them.

Wikipedia teaches a totally different concept that Lenz law supposes that the charges are identical in nature for it to manifest and so when electricity is induced between the North and South Poles two electromagnets, the reaction should be considered to be an interaction between protion and electron or positive and negative charges and there will not be any opposition due to Lenz law by only additive flux between opposite poles. I have observed that this is correct to a certain extent.

In my experiments I have seen that this additive flux manifests only so long as the secondary wire is inside the core diameter of the primaries. If the secondary wire is made to go over the primary core and match the primary wire the Lenz effect is visible. Output decreases.

Why? I do not know. These are my observations. I'm not trained in Electrical Engineering nor in theory and I can only tell you my observations. Simply because I'm an action taker please do not consider me to be competent enough to talk theories. I only state my observations and why some thing happens can be understood by me after doing experiements and observing results and then studying about them and asking questions from other learned members. I was not able to understand why Figuera ignored the flux availale in the primary and so extended the secondary to the primary cores. This increases the voltage and Lenz law comes in to play but because the if the Y coil secondary is inside the cores of the primary N and S there is no Lenz effect but the voltage and amperage increases. But I cannot say this with certainity for the voltage was very high and we have not given it to any load.

I also wanted to check what would happen if we use thin wires in primary and step up the voltage with thick wires. I understand that the ampere turns need to be incresed only so slightly for the output to dramatically increase after a certain point. I have tested up to 351 volts but above that there is surge of voltage and amperage.

Regarding the 2013 experimental results My Inorganic Chemistry professor brushed it aside. He pointed out that high voltage was sent between two earth points which constituted two large chemical batteries consisting of Iron, charcoal, Sodium Chloride and water and the high voltage created an electrochemical reaction and so in his view the high amperage came. He wanted me to convert it to self power itself and then to run it for one week continuously and had predicted that then it would stop once the iron rusted out. But it needed only one test for a few minutes and two years of non use to this to happen. We have ascertained how to use this Earth point continuously so the system can be used for many years once set but we neeed to test it to believe that our assumption is correct.

I have stopped the experiments. The current set of experiments were conducted with donations from some forum members. Economy is badly down here and most of clients are affected and so I will not be able to do any thing for the foreseeable future. There is also intense opposition in my family and office as this downturn started only after we started the experiments. So every one dislikes it.

I wanted to do the Cook Coil experiment. I have the iron and I need to have some more wire to match his description. But I think he used Permanent magnets in the core but I think during his time since they felt that DC converting iron to magnet is a normal one, he has stated only about iron core. Electromagnets stated by him must be understood to be DC Electromagnets ando so permanent magnets. I think his pictures are mutilated and he talks about circuit D which I believe is a coil in between the two opposite poles of the two large transformers with an output coil. In that sense it is similar to Figuera device. But with Magnets I have learnt one thing. They teach you to be humble. What you consider to be correct and bound to happen does not happen.

If I can say with confidence that I have mastered some thing it is this.. I have found that the input current to the primary can be significantly reduced to about 100 watts and enormous magnetism will be present in the core at this low level. A figuera coil in the center at that stage is COP>1. Mr. Mack (Madmack) has understood it and expressed it earlier. In this forum I have had the opportunity to interact with a lot of good and experienced and senior people and I'm pleased about it. 

[MagnaProp]

...I don't know what you guys are talking about with the Lenz... Lenz current is the reason why a transformer can be plugged in with nothing on the secondary...

But its also why we have to put more into the system than we get out I thought? If there was no lenz then we could plug the device into a much smaller voltage to begin with I think. The magnetic flux in the central coil may be strange also. In the drawing, if N is strong and S is weak then the secondary should be N poles on the outside and S on the inside? If S is strong and N is weak then the secondary will have strong S on the outside and N on the inside? This is assuming the secondary is in phase with the primaries. I can see how if the secondary in this case was delayed, that it would help the strong primary get stronger and the weak secondary get weaker and so on since the poles of the secondary would be reversed from what I have in the drawing. I also no longer think the secondary block wall moves up and down. I think it just stays in place and switches poles

...Figuera's generator uses Lenz to aid it, just like an AC motor. That's why it has to be a North and a South. See, because of his commutator, when one is increasing in strength, it produces a back voltage, or Lenz current, in the other. this effectively nullifies a part of the incoming current, so instead of a high current it would only need something small to run...

I will have to look at the firing sequence closer. I don't see how one primary increasing causes an effect in the other primary other than the secondaries poles which both primaries have to contend with. Can you draw a picture of how this back voltage lenz current happens. Crayons are fine but sock puppets are preferred.

[RandyFL]

I think were onto something here... MarathonMan has brought a new piece of the equation. In my humble opinion I think Tesla and Fiquera reached the same conclusion but their approach was different...if we can reach parity who knows where it will take us. Bottom line - I think it also gets us out of the stagnant rut we've been in.

[marathonman]

@Marathonman, you didn't answered my question : where did you find that dynamo picture, in what old book ?

I found it in a Book on Dynamo someone had posted earlier in this thread ....ie "link"...but i have gone back to find it and a bunch if post have been deleted. as in hundreds of posts. i have been searching on line for weeks to no avail.

it is plain and simple... Figueras took a rotation Dynamo of his time, studied it,figured out how to stop magnetic drag so he made it stationary all the while realizing it had to be wired the same and fired the same. he then split up the ring to isolate each coil/core to negate the Lenz effect { as we can't have the Lenz effect with only one pole} each coil pair acting as a battery.  he switched the polarity at midway point  so his battery {coil pairs} would never reach zero. then he stacked his batteries one after the other raising the voltage to what ever he desired.
Acoms razor: The simplest solution tends to be the correct one.
felas it can't get any more simple then that. while i was away from this forum i was studying figueras night and day.....even while at work. over six months i have racked my brain over this and i have come to my present day design/firing order.  red go high blue low then blue high red low just like a rotating Dynamo.....{EXACTLY}

Magnaprop: Crayons are fine but sock puppets are preferred. Oh my god that was so funny.... i must of laughed for 15 min

Forest: My first question is : why engineers abandon the dynamo with ring core presented by Marathonman ?

answer: Higher output