Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE

[marathonman]

Quote:   "We don't have the necessity of separating Flux (Flux Linking Law E=-dPhi/dt) we only need to modulate Flux (Flux Cutting Law E=B·v·l) and this can be done with very little power like Floyd said all those years back"
Floyd is doing what Figueras did in 1908, modulate the flux back and forth.  Figueras also said it takes very little effort.

(Flux Cutting Law E=B·v·l)

awesome !

[digitalindustry]

maybe you should familiarize yourself with an induction meter or learn about induction.

I have  an Induction meter and am reading more as we speak. i am curious as to what you are attempting to hypothesize in relation to the Figueras device.

Yes there are working Devices but unfortunately they don't wan't to post completely. of the one's i know of they are very cryptic.

ok, take out the word "we" then read it.

all i can say is good luck.

Happy Figuering to all.

i'm saying to account for the :

1. inductance
2. inductive capacitance
and
3. Resistance

AND the variable nature of all.

of the so called 'Resistor' (even if it was market as so)
and to turn that to a 'digital' system

one would be best starting with perhaps

an inductive coil (air core)
a bi polar capacitor
a resistor.

and you would need to vary each of the above stated on each # to coil i.e to each coil

probably a NF cap range.
and just ohm range for resistor.
likewise the choke (coil) microH

and build the same relationship that this configuration has.

if you have built a device and all you are getting is essentially 'transformer' type results i'd start on this lead.
then explore the 'make or break' variable. 

regards.

[digitalindustry]

DigitalIndustry,


Instead of reading the whole thread I recommend you to read three times the 1908 patent. In deepth. You will find that R is the name for "resistor"  (literally mentioned in the patent). You will aso find that Figuera stated that there must be always at least two contact connect in the commutator (what we call make-before-break) or that the resistor has the function of splitting the current and create two opposite intensity ( one field increase while the other decrease, and later the reverse..). Just read the patent 3 times and judge for yourself if the polarity is clearly defined or not. It is a pity when I see people just paying attention to the drawing and not reading in deepth the patent text.


In the next link there is a very useful GIF animation:


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Ah thank you Hanon

so that solves the make before break.

yes i understand it could be called 'resistor' however reality still being reality it is not just a 'resistor'
you know in the 1800's many names varied and i understand that one part of what that is doing is splitting current.

however all inductors (air core) hold a tiny amount of inductive capacitance.

just read here:

http://electronics.stackexchange.com/questions/25683/why-does-an-inductor-behave-as-a-capacitor-at-high-frequencies

now you might feel the urge to say (but that is under high resonate freq) nope that is actually when they start to 'fully' act as a capacitor, the effect is always present.

so now we have an issue that reality is presenting a conflict with a word 'Resistor' in such cases i prefer to follow reality unless it is suggested that Figueria was not using that config.

next - the inductor is tapped thus providing, variable inductance and capacitance and resistance. 

i.e why it would be good to explore 'modern' components such as i explain in the post previous.

- a coil (choke air core)   
- a Cap Nf or Pf
- a R

for EACH coil and varied to EACH original config.

also you would need to take into account the DIRECTION of winding when each coil is tapped.

sometimes the simple things are right in front, but in this case that device is not a simple 'resistor' if you just replace it with a 'Resistor' you are not in tune with the reality of the device.

that's just the facts for you.

anyone that is purposely avoiding this reality is leading you up the garden path. i would say 50% to 60% of the people on this forum are probably paid (in a job in an office) to do that.

it's more than 'big business'


i'll make a picture basic rep  for people that are looking to try at this very innovative design and let them decide if it makes sense.

i leaned a lot from reading your historical refs, great work. very interesting.

[digitalindustry]

An important point on Reality.

Attached it a list of the modern components that woudl be needed to accurately represent the Reality of the component in the original device:

- For configuration

you would need to vary each component for each number of taps along the original 'variator'

i would start by looking at the amount of turns in each section of the winding and try to guesstimate a Henry inductance

then match your Cap and Resistor up with that.

they will likely be low

i.e -
Ohms of resistance
NF or Pf of capacitance
mico H of inductance.

example : (just for show)

10 NF steps per 'tap' (stating at 10)
or
10 pf steps per 'Tap'   

anyone that didn't  mention this in 190 pages is either

A - Paid by a gov or corporation to mislead you or
B - was misled by A

but hey A is just trying to earn a living we can't be playa haters.

[forest]

   it will work with resistor too , just no or very little overunity