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Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE

Started by bajac, October 07, 2012, 06:21:28 PM

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oscar

Hi hanon,
thanks for your answers to my questions.
Here is my thinking on the topics "Faraday's Law" and "50/60 Hz":
In order to exploit the aspect of Faraday's law that x-times the frequency (turning the Figuera-commutator faster) will lead to x-times the output,  Figuera had to overcome a problem:
Quote from: NRamaswami on March 16, 2016, 04:00:38 AM...High frequency is said to heat up the Iron core ...
That is correct
Quote from: NRamaswami on March 16, 2016, 04:00:38 AM...so the core will have to be much bigger than at lower Hertz.
That is not the solution because with a bigger core more input-power is needed to magnetize it and so one meets the same problem again.

So theoretically it should be possible to get more output by raising the frequency but there is this practical problem. To find a solution let's look at one single cycle, when a single inductor gets energized by a single inducer:
The iron core gets magnetically polarized while the voltage in the primary rises.
The core gets magnetized.
Let's call this the first half of a cycle.
During the second half-cycle, electrical power will be created in the secondary. while the magnetization of the iron core subsides. At the same time, the voltage in the primary returns to zero.
This is true regardless of whether the primary is energized with a half wave of AC or a pulse of DC.

The faster you repeat this, the more output you will get in accordance with Faraday's law.
But once you reach frequencies above 60 Hz the output does not continue to rise. You meet a kind of barrier. The core heats up. Why?
Well, because it takes time for the core to de-magnetize (while the voltage in the primary returns to zero and the voltage in the secondary rises). If you hit the core with the next pulse of energy before the magnetization of the previous cycle has decayed - creating output in the secondary -  the energy of all subsequent pulses accumulates in the coil creating heat and no electrical output.

The natural amount of time this demagnetization requires, is an inherent characteristic of iron. Scientifically it is expressed as "Hysteresis".

I think Figuera discovered a trick, that made it possible for him to raise the frequency and get around the mentioned limitation of the iron core.
He supplied a higher frequency than 50 Hz.
But not to one single set of primary and secondary. Instead he used several sets and divided the high frequency among them in such a way, that each set was running at 50 Hz.

He used his commutator two-fold: To create the frequency from a source of DC (Battery) and it also served as a distributor, i.e. as  a frequency divider. Like a distributor of a petrol engine.

An example for the principle: If his commutator would be capable of supplying 400 Hz he would use eight sets. So each one would run at circa 50 Hz.

PS I have not built this. It just occurred to me following various postings of this forum.
The transmission was a '53 (Johnny Cash)

nul-points


Good catch, seaad!  Nice quote & illustration relating to the patent  ☺

Wrt frequency of operation, oscar, NR, the magnetic BH curve has constant losses around the loop - important to remember this, since these particular losses will just increase linearly with frequency - choice of frequency will be a trade-off of several factors, it seems

thanks
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marathonman

 The quote from the Patent has been quoted many, many times so the actual point he was getting to eludes me.
there are no actual resistors in the Figuera device. the drawing was just used to get the point across not literally and even says so in the patent

Quote;
He used his commutator two-fold: To create the frequency from a source of DC (Battery) and it also served as a distributor, i.e. as  a frequency divider. Like a distributor of a petrol engine.

The commutator or part G has FOUR-FOLD;
1.  to create frequency from DC source.
2. to split the currant between primaries.
3. to store the energy kicked back into the system from the declining electromagnet being shoved out of the secondary core. the part G has a core that stores energy in the form of magnetic field that allows it to be self running replacing the losses from heat and wire losses which are small because the currant in the primaries are always the same direction.
4. Self regulation.

the use of diodes and transistors will block  the inductive kickback and not let the system store it magnetically rendering it incapable of being self running.

anyone on this forum can trace back the time frame of the purchase and the companies involved in Germany it will easily be narrowed down to the device used but if you prefer to remain in your present state of mind well so be it.

ignacio

marathonman:> but if you prefer to remain in your present state of mind well so be it.
Parece, que hablamos el mismo idioma.
It seems, we speak the same language.

marathonman

Quote from Patent:
To assist in understanding this idea, it is convenient to refer to the attached drawing which is no more than a
sketch intended to assist in understanding the operation of the machine built to implement the principle outlined
above.
Self Fucking explanitory !

Now on this pic below show me the Diodes, show me the caps and while your at it Show me the resistors.

A quote from an 'Oern' : "" If there is really magic in the CF device then it seems that we not yet even started to identify & vary the parameter(s) which hold the secret ""

Its quite obvious this person has not done ANY active research on the Figuera device AT ALL.