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Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE

Started by bajac, October 07, 2012, 06:21:28 PM

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hanon

TEST OF PRACTICAL IMPLEMETATION OF THE PATENT

According to the spanish patent Law from the begining of the 20th century it was required a certification declaring the practical implementation of the patent in order to grant the patent.

After the death of Mr. Figuera in 1908, his representative Constantino de Buforn (who signed the 1908 patent as his representative, what also suggest me that Clemente Figuera was ill and could not travel to file his patent), Constatino de Buforn filed some patents which are identical to the one from 1908 except for slight modifications  (obviously the patent office in that time was not doing a deep exam for novelty because those patents after 1908 are literal copies of Mr. Figuera´s patent). On one of those patents (filed in 1910 with No. 47706) there is a declaration of the test of practical implementation done in 1913 and certified by a engineer. I could revise those expedients in the patent office. The patent was granted and its annuity renewal was paid for some years.

With all these data I wonder: 

Why did Buforn file more patents about this same subject?
Why did Buforn asked for a test of practical implementation?
Why did Buforn keep on following with this idea from the filing in 1910 to the final report in 1913?
Why do the report of the test of practical implementation show a positive declaration?
Why did he paid the annuity renewal for some years?
Why did Figuera sell his 1902 patent to a banker union and he kept silence until he filed the 1908 patent some days before his death?

I am afraid that the answer is clear: Because the generator worked !!

Please find attached a file with the traslation of the implementation report and also the pictures I could take in the Patent Office.


forest

hanon, my friend

You are doing marwellous work ! Thank You from all my heart , and I think Mr Figuera is happy now. Keep going, I have a feeling that things are quite opposite to all we have been told....yes,it seems scary but there is big hope at the end....

Farmhand

Quote from: bajac on April 23, 2013, 08:38:56 PM
Farmhand,

Yes, I was referring to the BiTT unit.

Figuera does not explain how the extra energy is generated or where it comes from. However, his patent does state that the apparatus is for generating electricity without fuel and it also states that the amount of power is sufficient for industrial applications. In one instance, he stated his desire to power the big steam ships with his generator. Hanon has posted a lot of newspaper citations and articles of the time referring to Figuera. Hanon has done an important work rescuing the historical data and putting the pieces together.

Neither Figuera states that the over unity is due to the manipulation of the Lenz's law effects. That explanation is given in the paper that I posted in the forum. The answer to some of your questions is found in the published paper. I would encourage you to read it and let me know if you have any comments or concerns.

The effects of the Lenz's law are always present when inducing currents in coils through magnetic fields! The Lenz's law effect is the mechanism used in physics to prevent having a device with outputs larger than the inputs. In other words, the Lenz's effect is what prevents the standards transformers and rotating generators from becoming perpetual machines. What Mr. Figuera and others have proven is that there is a way for mitigating the effect and convert these machines in truly fuel-less generators.

Still, the latter does not answer the question where the energy is coming from or what energy is being transformed. The answer to these questions will also require an overhaul of the existing theory and rewriting existing physics and engineering books.

Thanks,
Bajac

I might be missing something and I will investigate further, but from what I have read Figuera simply designed a way of producing AC sine wave power from a battery without the need for a rotating generator and associated rotating generator Lenz effects. Basically what I read up on was a step excitation method kind of thing for generating sine wave AC, the energy comes from the battery I think. Energy cannot be generated, sine waves can be generated, AC power can be generated, sound waves can be generated
but not energy. Electricity is generated with the input of energy to do it. Energy is utilized by way of the electric power generated by the expenditure of energy on the input end.

Looked like it was all powered by a battery to me.

I'm not trying to put anyone off the experiments, just trying to understand where the implication of extra energy is from.

Cheers

Farmhand

From the patent here- http://www.scribd.com/doc/114818563/Clemente-Figuera-Patent-30378-1902-Spanish-and-English-1


Here he explains a conventional rotating generator.

QuoteSince 1833, when Pixii, in France built the first magneto-electric machine, to the present time, all machines magneto and dynamo-electric science inventors has led the industry reposan the foundation in the law of induction says: "all magnet that moves toward or away from a closed circuit produces in him flows induction "In Gramme ring and the current dynamos, current occurs by induction that is exerted on the armature circuit wire, cutting their reels lines force created by the electromagnets exciters, or to move said armature, quickly, within the atmosphere between the magnetic pole faces of the electromagnets exciters and the soft iron core of the armature. To produce this movement, mechanical force need be employed in large quantity, it is necessary to overcome the magnetic attraction between the drivers and the core electrostatic attraction that opposes the motion, so the current dynamos are true machines transforming mechanical work into electricity.

Here he explains the benefit of his device.

QuoteIn the arrangement of excitatory and magnets our generator armature circuit has some analogy with the dynamos, but they are completely different from that, not requiring the use of motive power is not processing apparatus.

I think there is a misunderstanding of the text or translation mistake. When he says
Quotenot requiring the use of motive power
it means he does not need to turn a generator shaft,
that does not say the device does not require electro-motive force emf to power the device.


The exciting currents become the output.

QuoteA excitatory current, intermittent, or alternating, Actuates all the electromagnets, que are attached or in series, or in xxxxx?, or as required, and in the induced circuit currents Comprising Will Arise, together, the full generator current. That Allows suppressing the mechanical force, since there is nothing Which needs to be moved.

The claim indicates to me he invented a type of inverter.

QuoteInvention of an electric generator without using mechanical force, since nothing moves, Which produces the same effects of current dynamo-electric machines thanks to several fixed electromagnets, excited by a discontinuous or Which Creates an alternating current induction in the motionless inducedcircuit, Placed Within the magnetic fields of the excitatory electromagnets.

Cheers

Farmhand

I watched a couple of Woopy's video's and All I see is a constant current transformer. If you try to draw too much power the voltage will drop and so the power will also drop. Just because the input is not affected by the output means very little.
That can be done in other ways as well. When the output exceeds the input something different will be happening.

If a device uses 10 watts right of the bat as soon as it is fired up, before any output is taken, then 5 watts is drawn with no affect on the input the device is only 50% efficient.
If the device uses 10 watts with no load then 5 watts is drawn and the input drops to 7.5 Watts then that is only 66% efficient.

If a device is using 10 watts then when 10 Watts is drawn if the input drops to zero so that there is 10 watts output with zero input, I'll eat my hat.

Testing with LED's is not much use that's flea power.

Has anyone got an output to exceed the input yet ?

Cheers