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Overunity Machines Forum



Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE

Started by bajac, October 07, 2012, 06:21:28 PM

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madddann

Hello everyone! Hello Hanon!

I'm still following this thread closely (from the begining), never got away from it, did some experiments some time ago, but nothing fruitful arose from them.

Since the Buforn patents were published on the internet, there is just one or two things not clear to me.
For the first, look at the picture below... so what exactly is that layer between the iron core and the induced Y?
Hanon, maybe you have an idea about this layer, since you read through the patents many times. Anyone else is also welcome to clear this up.
The second thing is about the battery - I assume that the small square thing with the tiny circle in it where one positive (going to the comutator) and the two negative lines (comming from the electromagnets) meet, is the battery - is that right?

Hanon, I wish you good luck with your new setup - looks awesome :)

Also everyone else, happy figuering!

hanon

Maddann,

I am happy to see you again around this forum. I can see that you have studied in deep the drawing. My intention with the last traslation was to put into consideration the configuration of the electromagnets.

In another paragraph of that patent, number 57955, Buforn states that you can put a second induced coil inside the first induced coil core in order to generate in this second circuit the signal required to excite the machine, being the first induced coil used completely for other uses. This is just an optimization step, no needed at this stage of our research. Anyway I am glad that you have noted it.

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TRANSLATION OF PARAGRAPH ABOUT THE SECOND INDUCED CIRCUIT  (Buforn patent no. 57955, year 1914)

" Another advantage is that around the core of the induced electromagnets we can put
another small size induced electromagnet with equal or greater core length than the
large induced one. In these second group of induced an electric current will be
produced, as in the first group of induced, and this produced current will be sufficient
for the consumption in the continuous excitation of the machine, being completely free
all the other current produced by the first induced electromagnets in order to use it in all
purposes you want.

......

The way to collect this current is so easy that it almost seems excused to explain it,
because we will just have to interpose between each pair of electromagnets N and S,
which we call inducers, another electromagnet, which we call induced, properly placed
so that either both opposite sides of its core will be into hollows in the corresponding
inducers and in contact with their respective cores, or either, being close the induced
and inducer and in contact by their poles, but in no case it has to be any communication
between the induced wire and the inducer wire. "

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Note also how Buforn defines the location of the induced core, and how he AGAIN mentions that the induced coil must be placed PROPERLY. Both Figuera and Buforn always stated that the induced coil must be placed properly. What is properly??? 

About the battery question I can not answer you. There is no further info into this patent.

I do not know if you have also noted the electromagnets N and S connections in the zoomed sketch in the post before this one: the connection is done in opposite sides of those electromagnet for any reason. If all the electromagnets are made (in factory) with the same winding direction (then always the same pole is always at the current inlet). Therefore, this connection also suggests that Buforn was using like poles facing each other:  NN or SS

Please revise again the sketch. Thanks for doing such a good zoom of this feature.

I attach a file with all the important parts of this patent translated into english. Basically all the Buforn patent are almost photocopies of Figuera´s 1908 patent but he was adding small details to optimize the system. Some of that details may help us to interpret the basic configuration designed by Figuera. This is my aim explaining in detail these paragraphs and drawing.

Regards

bajac

Quote from: marathonman on September 15, 2014, 03:21:50 AM
Bajac, i have constructed circuits for both types of Drive for the Flynn type set up. one is by 555 timing and the other is by slotted disc.

Marathonman,
I do not see a need for a signal generator to test the device I am trying to build. Once constructed, I would only need a small motor to turn the permanent magnets, and test equipment to measure the output vs. input power. It is better to keep it simple when testing the concept. Does that make sense?

I think the Flynn's apparatus is way too complicated because of all the switches, transistors, and synchronism required to make it work.

Thanks,
Bajac

madddann

Hi Hanon!

Thank you so much for the translation, now almost everything looks clear (at least to me, hopefully also to others).

Yes, the electromagnets are definitely placed NN, SS - like poles facing each other.

I would just like to mention that in the Figueras (1908) and Buforn patents the cores are simple iron pieces and not transformer like cores (not like shown in the PJK book) - at least this is my opinion.
I was suspecting this from the begining, but now i'm sure of it.
I'm thinking of doing an exact replica for quite some time now, but my budget is low right now and I have no job, so it will have to wait for better times  :) ...but I'm not here to feel sorry about myself, but to help as much as I can in achieving the common goal.

OK, now here is a quote to think about, from one of the Buforn patents - Figueras had a similar (if not exact) statement in the 1908 patent: "...since we have done a continuous and
organized variation we have achieved a constant change in the current which crosses the
magnetic field formed by the electromagnets N and S and whose current, after
completing their task in the different electromagnets, returns to the source where it was
taken."

Now if you are able to do this, you might be onto something - what do you guys think?

Thanks again Hanon for translating all this!

Good luck to all!

bajac

I just wanted to post this link

http://www.mojaladja.com/upload/elmotor/276_EWEC2009presentation.pdf

to a document written by Hideki Kobayashi. I still think that they have failed to realize the true potential of coreless coils because of the way the permanent magnets are used. It just does not follow the Tiguera's teachings.