Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE

[hanon]

Great news Alvaro!!!


You are working really hard. 16 pages in just one day!! Take your time, you will end exhausted. I did not start translating this patent because it was a huge work and you are doing it in few days!!


Do not forget to attach the two drawings using a whole page per image in order that every detail can be view perfectly. Those drawing are the best proof to reject any weird theory about transformer-core type geometry. You document will be of great value to those still designing Bajac´s proposal as it was Figuera´s ideas, which is false.


Regards


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Of course I know they talk about the core material and shape in the patents but what if this core material just sleeves a permanent magnet. So when the N electromagnet is at 100% the magnetic field is composed of the electromagnet and the permanent magnet. At that time the S electromagnet is empty (to use patent text) but the permanent magnet is till creating a force not nearly as large as the N side.

-Core

It is quite possible. Even Buforn mentioned in his patent that standard dynamos require an external magnetic field, that it is the Earth magnetic field. (¿?) A weird statement from Buforn. This is the theory exposed in his last patent.


Nowadays you can hide a part of the whole patented device without disclosing it if you claim to have described the whole system . You must patent the whole working device if you claim that what you are patenting is a whole working invention. But I guess that the Patent Law in Figuera´s and Buforn´s years in Spain was not as developed as nowadays. In fact, Buforn patented 5 times the exact same generator and copied to Figuera´s 1908 device. Now you may just file one time the same inventions.  The rest of patents would be rejected. 


Regards

[ALVARO_CS]

hanon
I agree in most of your statements,
The patenting procedure and requirements in the Spain of 1914 are for us "an unknown territory", but at the reading of this Buforn patent one realizes what a low standard of scientific accuracy was accepted.

Alvaro

P.S. I started the work  last weekend as per Rams request. And it has been indeed a LOT of hours on it.

[NRamaswami]

Alvaro:

Thank you very much for the translation effort. It had been tough on us even with programs. As I told you many were guestimates by us.

However I'm not able to understand the criticism of the spanish patent office standards in 1914. They insisted on a working prototype. As Hanon says each one is a slight modification or improvement over the earlier 1908 one and patents of addition are allowed. In India even today with the restriction that their term is limited to the term of the original patent. Not more. So I do not see any thing wrong with multiple patents which are improved devices of the same. As far the scientific discussion by BuForn is concerned I believe that it is very high quality Scientific discussion. He is going to the root cause and explaining what is the root cause of every thing or what is shown as the Al Origin in the patent drawings. We may not be able to understand today what was the thought process 100 years back. But we cannot say it is not scientific. To that extent I have to beg to disagree with you. 

But all of you are ignoring one element. BuForn demonstrated before the Spanish Patent Office a device that ran on its own. Powered itself and then powered other things. Devices like this have been built but the makers are either so greedy that they would ask for the moon as the price and it would go without being known to any one. The Ed Gray motor is one such thing. For professional reasons I'm unable to disclose any thing but let me see that devices like that are built by not one but by many people and they are not even filed for patents. The inventors are so secretive they refuse to give any details but want a patent and want a fee that no one would pay. I know of one such device but because of professional ethics I cannot say any thing. It is not built by me any way.  So replicating the device of Figuera is a very important task. Just as our Senior friend Mr. Mack has quoted a 1910 book another friend has asked me to study another book written about Electricity and Magnetism but published in 1842. So we can understand the original thoughts. Let me come back here if I have any thing useful to post.

[RandyFL]

But all of you are ignoring one element. BuForn demonstrated before the Spanish Patent Office a device that ran on its own. Powered itself and then powered other things.

Rams,
I must have missed that part... show me where it states that.

All the best

[NRamaswami]

Randy:

You must study carefully.

That document is here http://www.alpoma.net/tecob/?page_id=8258

link http://www.alpoma.com/figuera/test.pdf

Downloaded and attached for your benefit. As I know you well, you are so dedicated but you are very superficial and you are not giving attention to details. Please study carefully.

I will not be able to post for some time now. Heavy work on hand.