Re-Inventing The Wheel-Part1-Clemente_Figuera-THE INFINITE ENERGY MACHINE

[onepower]

floodrod

Please expand on this.  This patent basically appears to describe electromagnets powered by alternating currents placed real close together.  Then between them is placed something like pancake pickup coils.  I say pancake because they must be thin to fit in the close gaps.

Here we need to be careful because all the Figuera patents claim, "which is achieved by making the excitatory current intermittent
or alternating in sign". So AC or pulsed/chopped AC or DC, ergo almost anything. Strangely, we never see the induced coils only boxes or spaces where there supposed to be placed. This should tell us it's important and they were probably doing something different than what most assume.

Am I correct to assume this differs from a standard transformer because of the 2nd electromagnet of opposite sign on each side?  I know from lots of tests that if I clamp two opposite sign electromagnets together, the driving current goes WAY down (depending on frequency).  Can you explain the dynamics of this build to us?

I looked at and tested the partnered or opposing coil setup but to be honest I'm not buying into it. Not to imply anything towards you but too many people I don't trust are trying to push this concept, my intuition say's no and it doesn't fit with the descriptions most FE inventors used. So it's a hard pass on that setup for me and there's too many red flags.

When you read the Figuera patents do you get the feeling something doesn't add up?, I do. Figuera's language sounds similar to McFarland Cook when he described eight distinct "currents" operating in his device. Like Cook he uses the term "current" in different context's which most around the early 1900's did as well. So when any inventor around the 1900's say's "current" it seldom means what most think it does.

Nikola Tesla used similar language but most didn't catch it and made too many false assumptions. For example, Tesla said one hair pin based device is operating at a frequency of 100 kHz but then claims the output has a wavelength around 2cm. A 2cm wavelength works out to a frequency around 15 MHz not 100 kHz. Tesla was referring to the primary spark gap frequency not the secondary circuit. Then Tesla speaks of small "time periods" people confuse with frequency when there not the same. The time period refers to the rise/fall time not the number of cycles per second like the frequency, ie. how frequent a cycle occurs.

So trying to decipher the diagrams and language of any FE inventor becomes a minefield of assumptions. Any wrong move in any direction and it just doesn't work. Which is really cool because we never know what were going to get. One circuit does nothing and then we make a small change and everything changes... that's cool.

AC

[floodrod]

I looked at and tested the partnered or opposing coil setup but to be honest I'm not buying into it. Not to imply anything towards you but too many people I don't trust are trying to push this concept, my intuition say's no and it doesn't fit with the descriptions most FE inventors used. So it's a hard pass on that setup for me and there's too many red flags.

Perhaps our communication got mixed.  I see "Opposite Signs" as "Opposite" From "Opposing fields"..  I didn't mean bucking coils.  I meant attracting (1 north, 1 south)..  Either way tho, I get what you are saying.

When you read the Figuera patents do you get the feeling something doesn't add up?, I do.

Yeah..  Something seems missing..

So trying to decipher the diagrams and language of any FE inventor becomes a minefield of assumptions. Any wrong move in any direction and it just doesn't work. Which is really cool because we never know what were going to get. One circuit does nothing and then we make a small change and everything changes... that's cool.

I can attest to this statement.  I use H-bridges and a square wave I can produce crazy effects.  I use square waves into an amplifier and I can't get it to do it..  All parameters seem the same, but something obviously is different.

As I said many times, regarding Figuera, my hunch remains the same.  I think the secret lies in the positive biased emptying cycle.  You are able to make the induction coil fully switch polarities without switching input polarities.  So if a growing field's reciprocal magnetic field usually induces towards the negative side, we can cause the same effect and get the reciprocal field to send back to the positive. 

And I also know from my experiments, not everything can be reproduced in smaller scale.  I can make things happen using larger currents that can not be done if scaled down to small currents.  There is a good chance Figuera's secrets can't be revealed in the small desktop replications we do.  It is very possible the gain mechanism can't manifest unless we use hundreds of watts and build large-scale.

[alan]

The rotating brush is just only one embodiment of the principle with the purpose of getting AC. It does look like ordinary flux linking, but free energy is explicitly stated in the patent. But it isn' transformer action, because each pole is controlled individually. 
I'd suggest to take a step back and use single (hand switched) DC pulses and analyze the effects and waveforms under load. Imho it is a transient effect of a magnetic wavefront and not a moving bucking N-N field,  unidirectional N-S is still an option in my book.

"naturally in every revolution of the brush will be a change of sign in the induced current; but a switch will do it continuous if wanted."   

[madddann]

Hello everyone.

First I want to thank you all (especially floodrod that is always experimenting and sharing), for pushing this subject forward.
Second, I would like to suggest to floodrod (or anyone interested) a patent aplication replication that is from the year 2001, so there should be no confusion about what the inventor meant with certain words. The idea in this aplication is clearly written and has a lot in common with the first Figuera - Blasberg solid state patent (30378) from year 1902 mentioned by AC. The whole setup looks even simpler than any Figuera or other similar patent.
This is the patent application by Johnson Bud T. J. CA2357550A1:

https://worldwide.espacenet.com/patent/search/family/004170045/publication/CA2357550A1?q=pn%3DCA2357550A1

I see that floodrod already has the coils adequate for this build - here:
https://overunity.com/12794/re-inventing-the-wheel-part1-clemente_figuera-the-infinite-energy-machine/msg577066/#msg577066

I plan to get at it myself one day, but my time for this kind of projects is limited.
If anyone of you gets something out of it first, then so be it    ...for the common good...

I hope my post is usefull to anyone, good luck with the experiments and thanks for all.

Dann

[SolarLab]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=es4zSnx07rk

Output sucks as expected.  But first glance at what it does..

Hi Floodrod,

Just a quick idea/observation - have a look at your "Magnetic Circuit" - if appears to be open.

What I mean is the Magnetic Path, well, doesn't exist looking at your circuits. Sometimes
(quite often actually) this is overlooked when designing magnetics.

The original Figuera patents (1902) didn't address this, that I can see, however the later
1905, and so on, seemed to provide a bit more insight - the cross design (magnetic circuit
is closed in these ones).  Magnetic "stuff"doesn't know what to do in air - -so it has to be
directed like an Electrical Circuit. [try a clamp or whatever to "complete the magnetic circuit].

A while back I posted links to a couple of books that go through the "Magnetic Circuit"
requirements, and what not - analogous to electronic circuit stuff. Can't find links right now.

Almost there from what I see!  But have a close look at the overall Magnetic requirements,
IMHO. Great work.

Regards,

SL