new magnet ball in a tube motor ?

[powercat]

Hi Cherryman
That's it........OK you are using hydrogen to make your ball rotate, but basically the same idea,
so the question is has anyone actually ever built one of these and generated power from it ?

That was a great thread......you and IST doing lots of testing videos and your diagrams are fantastic.
I'm not feeling that confident yet to order any parts but who knows where this research will lead.

Thanks for sharing

[evolvingape]

Hi Powercat, Cherryman.

I came across Cherryman's HHO system a while back and have been integrating the principles for some time:

http://www.overunity.com/10451/rotomax-rotary-engine-tesla-wankel-mason-hho-hybrid/msg277108/#msg277108

I have also been working on variations of the system principles your describing Powercat, however, I do not feel the current magnet motor / generator designs can be improved upon. I am using the principles differently as it is hard to beat 96% efficiency and counting. Law of diminishing returns:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Diminishing+returns%2c+law+of

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_motor

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/electrical-motor-efficiency-d_655.html

http://newenergyandfuel.com/http:/newenergyandfuel/com/2009/04/06/japanese-researchers-breakthrough-96-electric-motor-efficiency/

A Ground Effect Vehicle (GEV) is an extremely desirable toy...

http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/2781-wood-gasification-4.html#post208266

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_effect_vehicle

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hovercraft

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_effect_in_aircraft

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea-skimmer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_effect_train

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vortex_ring

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Schauberger

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR_lCObJVJk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dcqnEFIw3A&feature=related

http://www.jetlev-flyer.com/

The graphic design I have put up is actually a combination of many technologies, and should be fun for you to explore what each aspect does and what it can do for you...

Rob 

[powercat]

Hi Rob,
wow that's a lot of links, having looked at most of them the Japanese 96% efficiency motor
Was very interesting and highlights how important a good controller is,
I think given my skill levels it is better for me to think about building a generator only,
Which could be connected to one of these Japanese motors later.

@All
Been thinking about my bicycle wheel idea and would like to share some thoughts.

If I now mount the magnet ball tube on the back wheel of a conventional bicycle,
a bit like an exercise bike with the back wheel off the ground.
When I start peddling will the magnet ball stay at the bottom of the wheel ?
I am thinking that as the toroid coils passed the ball they will produce drag but surely
the ball will more or less stay at the bottom half of the wheel ?

What is not clear is if I feel any effect of drag while I am paddling,
since there is no shaft connected from the motor to transmit drag through.

Possibly I would feel some sort of gyroscope force as speed builds up ?
...
The black is the tube.
The green is the toroid coils
The red is the magnet ball

[DreamThinkBuild]

Hi Powercat,

When I start peddling will the magnet ball stay at the bottom of the wheel ?

Yes, up to a certain speed. Depends on friction of surface.

I am thinking that as the toroid coils passed the ball they will produce drag but surely
the ball will more or less stay at the bottom half of the wheel ?

This is where it gets interesting you can partially decouple the magnet from the prime mover. I've been working on something similar but using diametric magnets. You don't need to make so many coils only one coil under the bottom of the wheel. As the magnet spins in the wheel gravity will keep it at the bottom with a load it will start to oscillate back and forth in the curve of the wheel. The magnet will still experiences Lenz but the prime mover will just experience the weight and friction of moving magnet and other normal friction(bearings,etc). I've had a tiny motor being able to drive a diametric magnet that when normally coupled directly to the shaft would stall out running a load. Using this approach the motor doesn't stall out but the magnet just slows it's rotation, lowering the power output.

It's quick to build if you have the parts, all you need is a small motor, connect to hollow wheel/plastic food container, a sphere magnet or diametric magnet and a coil underneath the wheel to your output. The lower the friction surface the better.

[powercat]

Hi
I think I understand what you're saying, a video would help,
yes I could use only one coil, but if it's mounted underneath the wheel
I think there will be some drag

If I connect the coil to the wheel the Lenz affect is only on the ball,
so would I feel any Lenz affect while paddling......  If I wouldn't feel any effect
Why not have more coils for more power.

I'm not ready to do any tests yet and I would have to order parts before starting,
so it is important to know what is likely to be the best set up before ordering.