Crystal Cell Research

[4Tesla]

Thank you both for the input on the meter!  I think I'll get one.. very cool for $20!

[plengo]

Fausto: 

        Thanks a lot for your explanation of how you test your cells.  Wow that is a lot of work.  So one other thing.  How do you pore your two plate cells.  Do you have a mold, you put them in,  pore them, then remove?  I have been wanting to figure out something quick and dirty so as to save material and make it easier to tear down and inspect.

David

In my last video in the end, you can see I am holding one plate with paper cut out in two sections. The paper is less than 1 mm thick. I mix my compound with enough water to make it consistent like ketchup, then I pour it on each cut out sections. Gravity distribute it automatically making it a nice flat area.


With that technique I use about 1/8 tsp of mixed compound per cell making it very cheap to create. I wait it to dry until crystal structure starts shinning on top, must step, and then I stack the cells together and a few more complicated things that I am still solving to make it very repeatable.


In your case you could to exactly the same. You don't need lots of electrolyte in between the cells, actually, too much of it makes the internal resistance of the cell too high.


Another thing which is important to ALL understand about this cells and actually any AA, AAA, C, D cells.


The internal resistance of those cells (including ours) is not very consistent making it difficult to put them in parallel. Why? because if one internal resistance is different than the next one in parallel, that cell will FEED the next cell which defeat the purpose of putting them together. This is one of the reasons you don't see electronic devices using many batteries in parallel. If one needs more CURRENT they buy a BIGGER battery.


Our cells will have and have the same problem, specially with our non industrialized manufacturing process. Making our cells also with larger plates will not cut the problem either, since it will need perfect thickness throughout the whole cell.


Once we industrialize this we will be able to create much larger cells that produces more current.


I am really interested in trying the aluminum oxide technique you create, that is unique to you David, kudos to you.


Another point, keep making ALL your cells for now with the exact same sizes so that you can develop a sense of base-line as time passes. If you make other cell sizes just take their data more like experiments really.


I used to make cells without documenting the process and every time a GREAT CELL worked I was bummed of not having it documented.


Fausto.

[drodenbe]

Fausto:

Thanks for the info:  Just about an hour ago I had my program lock up on me and it said it needed to shut down.  This was on my latest test cell.  So I lost the long term graph. I have the graphs up to that point.  So what to do?  I am going to work on the smaller cells.  Because in the past month I have gone through around 10 lbs of sodium meta silicate and about 4 lbs of cement.  So I am not going to produce any supper cells for a while.  Would like to see what results you all get if you make the multi plate cell as per diagram.  The cell is still at .918 volts and holding.  Not sure if I should restart the graph or not.  What do you think? 

I tried a little some thing different to day, just because.  I had some MnO2 from a dry cell I tore down and I mixed a little of this up in a past with distilled water and coated both the treated aluminum and the treated copper with a thin layer and let dry.  I then mixed the cement and sodium meta silicate with the sodium hydroxide solution and pored a cell and did the same procedure with the battery while it was setting.  only got .789 volts out of it after it set but the current is higher.  I hooked up my joule thief and the voltage hardly dropped at all.  I think this may protect the plates from corrosion.  Not sure but wanted to set one up and see how the aluminum is after a month.  Just something to do.  May stumble on to something some day.  You know the saying..... even a blind pig finds an acorn now and then.  I think I might be turning into a monkey scientist.  Ha! Ha!.  Sorry!  I won't take your degree from you.  Fausto.  You have earned it! 

David

[4Tesla]

I bought the 2200039 version of the RadioShack 46-Range.  I got this version because I know it uses a 9v battery and not AAs.. I also bought a 9v AC adapter to use instead of battery.  Can't wait to try out.  Best bang for the buck for a DMM that connects to PC!

http://www.radioshack.com/graphics/uc/rsk/Support/ProductManuals/2200039_PM_EN.pdf

I also have a Fluke 87, which I love, but can't connect to PC.

[plengo]

Fausto:

Thanks for the info:  Just about an hour ago I had my program lock up on me and it said it needed to shut down.  This was on my latest test cell.  So I lost the long term graph. I have the graphs up to that point.  So what to do?  I am going to work on the smaller cells.  Because in the past month I have gone through around 10 lbs of sodium meta silicate and about 4 lbs of cement.  So I am not going to produce any supper cells for a while.  Would like to see what results you all get if you make the multi plate cell as per diagram.  The cell is still at .918 volts and holding.  Not sure if I should restart the graph or not.  What do you think? 

I tried a little some thing different to day, just because.  I had some MnO2 from a dry cell I tore down and I mixed a little of this up in a past with distilled water and coated both the treated aluminum and the treated copper with a thin layer and let dry.  I then mixed the cement and sodium meta silicate with the sodium hydroxide solution and pored a cell and did the same procedure with the battery while it was setting.  only got .789 volts out of it after it set but the current is higher.  I hooked up my joule thief and the voltage hardly dropped at all.  I think this may protect the plates from corrosion.  Not sure but wanted to set one up and see how the aluminum is after a month.  Just something to do.  May stumble on to something some day.  You know the saying..... even a blind pig finds an acorn now and then.  I think I might be turning into a monkey scientist.  Ha! Ha!.  Sorry!  I won't take your degree from you.  Fausto.  You have earned it! 

David

Create a new graph. We know already what it was by the pics you posted. The point is not to have a perfect record but a bulk record so feel the trend. I also keep taking screen-pics of the graphs as time passes since the meter battery dies (ironic) and/or the graph buffer becomes full.


4 lbs???!!! owww, that is a lot. Make them smaller for sure. Mine are 1" x 3" only each little cell and usually I put 10 of those to form one running LED cell. So it takes very little of material, specially the compound.


I tried with MnO2 and it does help because it will absorb the Hydrogen BUT it is very toxic. I am totally running away from it and from Iron Pyrite because Pyrite with water will become sulfuric acid. Many mines in the past had this problem.