Friction heater running in my house

[mscoffman]

ramset,

I believe that this kind of furnace is indeed running on these principles. So this is not
the pure friction causing the heating;

1 - is there a hydrogen bearing liquid in the unit - yes, motor oil is a hydrocarbon
2- is the bear metal exposed to this fluid - yes, I would assume so in the metal plates
3- is there a mechanical means of injecting "phonons" into the liquid - yes the AC electric motor

If one has a working unit the above suggests that there may be experimental variables
that one could easily try to confirm the presents of LENR occuring in this unit. For example
a sealing coating on the plates should defeat LENR from occurring there, so that
working unit suddenly "sealed" might suddenly stop cease producing excess energy.
The same with using a non hydrogen bearing working fluid liquid.

The key thing is that if this is LENR energy, then the "transfer function" of input to
output energy (or COP) will be relatively complicated. This complexity is what
defeats normal analysis of people who don't use the correct operational
model and what causes people who measure the output to often times
come out with wrong answers. For example using a variable viscosity
fluid should not be used - using as much as possible a fluid that has a constant
viscosity with temperature would be highly desirable.

Imagine the complexity if the viscosity of the working fluid *is* variable
with temperature. Actually LENR increases in output efficiency might occur
over only part of the working temperature range. Now you try to optimize
the efficiency by tuning the motor to an operating point with a mechanical
load that is fluctuating all over the place, one would probably not be very successful.
This is why it would be advisable to understand what the transfer function curve
actually is, and then both broaden the curve along with trying to find the maximum
operating point. Notice too this means pulling heat off the unit by a method
that is relatively constant and non-turbulent.

:S:MarkSCoffman

[ramset]

mscoffman

Possibilities?
Many things are in motion in this device,working with fluids and tension/pressure as well as what can manifest during a spin.

Gabriel is a wonderful person and true open source engineer.
I believe this is going to the next level [calorimetry].

Thx
Chet
PS
I see AP posted below
Sir this is... and will remain an open source project.[Gabriels choice] unlike the troubled business venture of Rossi.[I believe there are several threads for that already]

[JouleSeeker]

This concept is not a new one its how it is done is what makes it. I don't think by any means is it "OU" but It is a very cheap way for me to make heat.
I am working on drafting off some of the heat to make power to supply some of the power to make it run even cheaper.

I don't like the term "OU" either, because it implies (or connotes) a violation of the laws of physics, especially, the law of conservation of energy.  "Free energy" also implies "something from nothing", which tends to invite ridicule.


But in one of your vids you said your heating bill went from about $200 / mo to $30/mo IIRC...  This suggests something very interesting -- One might call it "Tapping a previously unused (perhaps unknown) source of energy" - tapping PUSE.

(I would recommend use of a term like PUSE "previously unused (perhaps unknown) source of energy" instead of "free energy" to clarify things.)

Your work reminds me of the Davey device that vibrates water and presumably produces xs heat (or rather, taps PUSE).


This device also comes to mind, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yh_-DUKQ4Uw&feature=related

Hmmm... water has interesting properties along with some other liquids.

Thanks for sharing, oilpiggy and everyone!

[oilpiggy]

I wonder if Oilpiggy has checked his plates for signs of magnetic feilds. They could have become magnetic when they were made and may have a slight induction breaking effect aiding the thermal output. If I ever build another I will certainly employ the addvantage. If induction heating were aproached the way tank circuits are made to resonate I guess that might be an improvement. Turn the entire unit into a spinning capacitor in oil with a residual static field to boot.

Hello

Its not that they were magnetized during the machining, I magnetized them before installing the discs. Its nice that you picked up on that I am sure there is a resonance going on here. That has not been tested for but it will be.

Thank you
Gabriel

[JouleSeeker]

Hello

Its not that they were magnetized during the machining, I magnetized them before installing the discs. Its nice that you picked up on that I am sure there is a resonance going on here. That has not been tested for but it will be.

Thank you
Gabriel

Hi, Gabriel -- intriguing information:  "I magnetized them before installing the discs. Its nice that you picked up on that" 

So, how were they magnetized?  North poles up (for example) on all disks, or what?  Do these disks hold much magnetization I wonder? 
Or could a guy put an EXTERNAL magnet on the outside of the casing?

PS -- I'm VERY impressed by the engineering and work that went into your design.
Thanks,
Steve