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Friction heater running in my house

Started by oilpiggy, October 31, 2012, 02:25:24 PM

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MileHigh

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December 11, 2012, 02:24:44 AM
Oilpiggy:

I will pass on building a heater, I have no need for one.  Since you mentioned it, can I ask you what your test setup will consist of and how you will make your measurements?  I have no idea how much thought that you have put into this but sharing your thoughts might help.  I know from experience that there are many pitfalls that experimenters can fall into when it comes to making serious electrical and thermal measurements.  It's not necessarily easy at all, and sometimes people mistakenly believe ahead of time that it will be easy.  So sharing your test apparatus and test and measurement strategy could really help you and make for a good discussion at the same time.

MileHigh

Bruce_TPU

#51
December 11, 2012, 03:35:45 AM
Hello Oilpiggy,

A very clever invention.  And I really like your attitude about what you have come up with.

Now if I may, let me take a stab in the dark at what makes your invention tick, if I may.  You mentioned Victor Schauberger.  One of the many things that he dealt with was water flow, vortex.  Now, you have created, using magnetic fields and your core, a vortex also.  Your plates spinning or core produce edddy currents that in turn produce the heat.  I guess my question is, these same eddy currents should also be acting as a brake on the rotation creating drag on the motor?  But you are able to produce more heat then the eddy currents produce braking.  Is this because of the way that you have the magnetic plates stacked?  So, perhaps the eddy currents produced, depending on the magnetic poles, some act to hinder or brake, opposing the direction of rotation, while others assist the direction of rotation?  Your thoughts?

Thank you for sharing!

Cheers,

Bruce
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.

DeepCut

#52
December 11, 2012, 07:40:37 AM
Quote from: MileHigh on December 10, 2012, 08:20:31 PM
Oilpiggy:

It would appear that all you have is anecdotal information that it is costing you less to heat your house with your friction heater.  At the same time physics states that it doesn't matter if you use an electrical heating element or a motor outputting mechanical power that is used to make heat from friction, they will both output the same amount of heat if the input electrical power is the same.

So, unless you can devise an experiment and generate some real data that backs up your claim, and then have your experiment replicated by at least two other parties that get similar results, right now there is no substantive data to make a claim.

There is simply no rational reason to assume that a friction heater will outperform an electric heating element, notwithstanding your anecdotal claims.

If you want to be taken seriously, you have to take it to the next level.

MileHigh

Milhigh i think the fact that he is as warm in his house as he always is, but is paying $170 dollares LESS per month on heating says something.

Why do you assume everyone who does these things wants to be "taken seriously" (whatever that means, in your head).

You're such a cheeky sod "anecdotal claims". The guy built it, it's working for him, he's saving money and he's not charging anyone for plans or advice.

I really think you're a dick, and i regret defending you're right to be unbanned on OUR.


Sincerely,

DC.




MileHigh

#53
December 11, 2012, 10:36:13 AM
DeepCut:

I think that you are the dick for objecting to me asking about making real measurements and generating some scientific data.  I stand behind everything I stated and if you want to go off and sulk in a corner whenever someone requests a proper analysis then you are in the wrong place.

MileHigh

Bruce_TPU

#54
December 12, 2012, 09:23:22 AM
Quote from: Bruce_TPU on December 11, 2012, 03:35:45 AM
Hello Oilpiggy,

A very clever invention.  And I really like your attitude about what you have come up with.

Now if I may, let me take a stab in the dark at what makes your invention tick, if I may.  You mentioned Victor Schauberger.  One of the many things that he dealt with was water flow, vortex.  Now, you have created, using magnetic fields and your core, a vortex also.  Your plates spinning or core produce edddy currents that in turn produce the heat.  I guess my question is, these same eddy currents should also be acting as a brake on the rotation creating drag on the motor?  But you are able to produce more heat then the eddy currents produce braking.  Is this because of the way that you have the magnetic plates stacked?  So, perhaps the eddy currents produced, depending on the magnetic poles, some act to hinder or brake, opposing the direction of rotation, while others assist the direction of rotation?  Your thoughts?

Thank you for sharing!

Cheers,

Bruce
Bump...

Hi Oilpiggy,
Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on the above?!

Many thanks!

Bruce
1.  Lindsay's Stack TPU Posted Picture.  All Wound CCW  Collectors three turns and HORIZONTAL, not vertical.

2.  3 Tube amps, sending three frequency's, each having two signals, one in-phase & one inverted 180 deg, opposing signals in each collector (via control wires). 

3.  Collector is Magnetic Loop Antenna, made of lamp chord wire, wound flat.  Inside loop is antenna, outside loop is for output.  First collector is tuned via tuned tank, to the fundamental.  Second collector is tuned tank to the second harmonic (component).  Third collector is tuned tank to the third harmonic (component)  Frequency is determined by taking the circumference frequency, reducing the size by .88 inches.  Divide this frequency by 1000, and you have your second harmonic.  Divide this by 2 and you have your fundamental.  Multiply that by 3 and you have your third harmonic component.  Tune the collectors to each of these.  Input the fundamental and two modulation frequencies, made to create replicas of the fundamental, second harmonic and the third.

4.  The three frequency's circulating in the collectors, both in phase and inverted, begin to create hundreds of thousands of created frequency's, via intermodulation, that subtract to the fundamental and its harmonics.  This is called "Catalyst".

5.  The three AC PURE sine signals, travel through the amplification stage, Nonlinear, producing the second harmonic and third.  (distortion)

6.  These signals then travel the control coils, are rectified by a full wave bridge, and then sent into the output outer loop as all positive pulsed DC.  This then becomes the output and "collects" the current.

P.S.  The Kicks are harmonic distortion with passive intermodulation.  Can't see it without a spectrum analyzer, normally unless trained to see it on a scope.
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