UFO politics Keeps his word 12-12 12 Let the games begin.......

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A man of Character and Impeccable moral fiber humbles himself to the community,with a promise..........
{He is also saddened By the Tummy ache experienced by some [one?]after viewing his Video

Ufopolitics
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  My Fault...   
Hello to All,

First I want to say that all this discussions, arguments and noises here are all MY FAULT/Mea Culpa...Ladies and Gentlemen.

I should have never rush this tests to accomplish a deadline date...

This was completely my own idea, and as I wrote before, I wanted to set a date to force myself to finish this...no matter if I would be lacking off my personal duties...and else...but again, my complete fault, my error...and I assume it on its entirety.

This very wrong testing because of running against time have delivered not only arguments here...but also accidents here and there...not good.

Just today making the Energy Meter test, I realize the brand new AGM Werker Battery I got two-three days ago, was shorted in a weird way...even when I took it back the owner told me it was rare readings...Battery will not raise one Milli volt after several hours charging it at a safely 2.0 amps...however the tester showed a CCA of @ 300 Amps...I got another Battery just now...as also a dedicated charger that uses "AGM Mode"...nice new switching chargers...

Accidentally (because of rush, long hours of work...no sleep...etc)...I made contact with Motor without the switch ...to one terminal (Positive)...and melted off a chunk out of the lead pole...the guy exchanged it because I have bought a lot of Batteries and chargers there...for a long time...but any other new customer...would have lost $70.00..

I had originally purchased a nice switching charger but only reaches 24 Volts Max...at 6.0 Amps charge rate...so I was using trickle type chargers for this new battery at the positive end side...This contributed killing it I believe...

Second, I ran all this tests with an unfinished Motor...no output brushes on, Output side is still not connected in series like it is supposed to.

Third: Generator Head had been running with the bad burnt front bearing from High Temp welding while it was on,...even though I have bought its replacement...

So it has been all my fault guys, cause of making it happen on the 12-12-12 (And still I did NOT make it til the morning of the 13th, ...adding to all this a lot of procrastination during the process...

So please do not blame the skeptics, or anyone else who is against this wrong testing...they are completely right to have doubts and disbelief...and heavily criticize the tests as Myself...

I opened this doors completely ...

Besides lousy video quality, causing dizziness and blurry vision...to top it off!

But everything here has solutions...except death....there is absolutely nothing we can 't do about that...but being alive...and breathing?...of course everything have solutions...and they will. .

I am gathering ALL required testing equipment ,the proper Motor finishing as reading its out gates in A & V and Hertz also...I have even forgotten about frequency with so much winding and Motors...

I need to read the Pulsed DC at Motor Input and Output...

But I do not want to get into tech details here...but to apologize to all about this error on testing on such investment of time and money...just because of rushing it...for a date that I did not come up in time...

But we All learn from our mistakes...


Regards to all


Ufopolitics

[Red_Sunset]

@Red_Sunset
Please have a look at the different ways of winding
http://www.mediafire.com/view/?uo7zlkakgcd5lye
regards   Alvaro

Hi Alvaro,
Pls do not get the impression that I am trying to break down UFO's concept idea. I am only trying to analyze and define what it is.  We can only create something good and workable by understanding what doesn't work so good and why.

A nice document you linked to, detailing the different winding strategies. It doesn't explain a lot but I am getting the gist of its intend.
You see, technically you can have two independent windings on the same rotor that do not influence each other. That is a common layout for every commercial motor like a 20-22 pole rotor served by one or two fields as shown on page 21-22 where the windings overlap. The overlap does not impact other overlaid winding by magnetic induction due to magnetic balancing, one overlap Magnetic Force (MF) increases while the other overlap MF decreases. The same rule and characteristic applies to the reverse induction from rotor into the stator field magnet or field coil.  The overall induced magnetic field sum should always be zero to avoid heating up a conductive magnet with eddies or super impose an AC on top of the stator field.
This characteristic only works well with nice smooth and symmetrical AC, a DC motor is none of that.   You can see why Tesla loved AC, as it is way more gracious and elegant.
According to the document, UFO offsets the generator coil.  This means that we have maximum flux in the one coil when the other coil flux is minimum.
These brushes are not exactly electronic pulse motors. The motor pulse is "on" pretty much all the time as the cummutator presents different copper segments to the brushes. What is of interest here is that only one coil is activated into one direction at any one time.  The power is DC, so apart from start and stop transients, there is no other motor induction into the generator part. So there is no canceling of MF in other overlapping generator windings and they will generate some output under MF input of these half overlapping motor windings as they get switched. The generator coils would have minimal to no reverse induction effect on the motor coils although their MF created, opposes the motor coils MF and will reduces the mechanical motor torque as a result.

One thing I am still not clear about why UFO wires one coil to two commutators,  why use all the coils as motor and generator, is this done to reduce windings or is there an other reason?  The reasons in the video do not match the practical reality.

[ALVARO_CS]

Hi Alvaro,
Pls do not get the impression that I am trying to break down UFO's concept idea. I am only trying to analyze and define what it is.  We can only create something good and workable by understanding what doesn't work so good and why.

A nice document you linked to, detailing the different winding strategies. It doesn't explain a lot but I am getting the gist of its intend.
You see, technically you can have two independent windings on the same rotor that do not influence each other. That is a common layout for every commercial motor like a 20-22 pole rotor served by one or two fields as shown on page 21-22 where the windings overlap. The overlap does not impact other overlaid winding by magnetic induction due to magnetic balancing, one overlap Magnetic Force (MF) increases while the other overlap MF decreases. The same rule and characteristic applies to the reverse induction from rotor into the stator field magnet or field coil.  The overall induced magnetic field sum should always be zero to avoid heating up a conductive magnet with eddies or super impose an AC on top of the stator field.
This characteristic only works well with nice smooth and symmetrical AC, a DC motor is none of that.   You can see why Tesla loved AC, as it is way more gracious and elegant.
According to the document, UFO offsets the generator coil.  This means that we have maximum flux in the one coil when the other coil flux is minimum.
These brushes are not exactly electronic pulse motors. The motor pulse is "on" pretty much all the time as the cummutator presents different copper segments to the brushes. What is of interest here is that only one coil is activated into one direction at any one time.  The power is DC, so apart from start and stop transients, there is no other motor induction into the generator part. So there is no canceling of MF in other overlapping generator windings and they will generate some output under MF input of these half overlapping motor windings as they get switched. The generator coils would have minimal to no reverse induction effect on the motor coils although their MF created, opposes the motor coils MF and will reduces the mechanical motor torque as a result.

One thing I am still not clear about why UFO wires one coil to two commutators,  why use all the coils as motor and generator, is this done to reduce windings or is there an other reason?  The reasons in the video do not match the practical reality.

Well, my impression is that your analysis is based only in that video, and this is a too small base of information to get conclusions. (IMO this is the origin  of your last question)

Again you talk about generator coils and motor coils which confuses me because as far as I understood it (after reading a lot in the thread and experimenting with replicas), the motor and generator are both functions of every single coil, at different times and relative positions. In other words, a coil receives the input at one radial position, and discharge at a different position due to  rotation.
The document I linked is not descriptive of functionality, only of the coils configuration. In it you can see that the coils are split in two halves, winded on two rotor poles NOT at 180 degrees. That is to project a N magnetic field at the first half, and a S at the second half. In conventional DC motors, the coils S is faced (and absorbed) to/ by the shaft/armature.

I understand and accept your intention to have a serious objective discussion as I´m not a blind fanatic of  Ufo´s technology, but an open minded researcher, but from your words I got the impression that you did not read any of the abundant descriptions and analysis that are found in that thread. I may be wrong of course and insist in that I will not fight tooth and nail to defend it.

Regards
Alvaro

[evolvingape]

Chet,

I need to make one thing very clear, I am not hammering UFOpolitics for his work in this area which I actually find is quite interesting.

My issues were twofold and have been addressed by UFO himself in that copied post.

The first issue is safety, electricity and batteries are very dangerous and even if you know what your doing the people replicating may not. Setting a deadline for yourself to complete a certain project is quite common, but when you rush and your tired you inevitably make mistakes, and serious consequences could possibly arise because of that. When I get tired, start making mistakes, I drop what I am doing and walk away. Safety first.

The second issue is announcing overunity results without the evidence to support it. I have lost count of the number of times this has happened, and every time it has turned out to be measurement error or faulty analysis of the results. You must understand that if you are going to announce you have developed a device that operates on principles outside of the known laws of physics it must have solid evidence to support it. I see this same mistake repeated over and over,  a situation not helped by the alternative media who irresponsibly trumpet it as loud as they can. The device or system or whatever then gets quietly forgotten about to move onto the next "overunity" device. Do you see how this damages the credibility of the open source energy research community ?

[TinselKoala]

Ok.... so we note that the CCA of the Werker type batteries is quoted at 335 in some specs and has been measured at 300 by UFO himself.... so that rests that question, I hope. The statement in the video that the batteries could not "generate" 40+ amps is out the window, therefore.

Next...  if the lathe is the King of Tools, surely the oscilloscope is the King of Test Equipment. Anyone who claims OU from an electrical device who does not investigate its performance with an oscilloscope is like a chef without a knife.... he may be able to get some results, but they won't be clean and pretty and they might not even be very palatable.

Please..... if you are working with electrical/electronic devices and you are searching for OU, get an oscilloscope and learn how to use it.... I guarantee it will pay for itself the first time it prevents you from making a false claim based on DMM readings.
Perfectly fine analog scopes can be had on the surplus/used market for under 200 dollars. This expense, and a few hours of study and practice, might be the best money you have ever spent, if you are an electrical OU researcher.