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[mikestocks2006]

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About Testing Measurements
  Hello to All,

To those that have not read about me...please realize that I KNOW what I am talking about...I am not claiming "something" out of thin air...meaning, NOT without the correct knowledge or without the proper measurements.

This Set Up I am working on IS NOT A PERFECT ONE READY TO GO OUT AND BUY IT, I have repeated that fact before...This Set Up probably will need more voltage/amperage at Input (another battery) OR Other set of Higher Capacity Batteries... BUT THEN, the System MUST BE REGULATED, regulating the Feed from Source to Prime Mover, as to provide a constant speed/torque at the requirements from Generator Output/Loads behaviour, this regulation NEEDS TO BE A FAST RESPONSE ONE, otherwise it will NOT WORK AS DESIRED.

I have ALSO wrote here previously, that this Motors NEED TO BE PULSED TO PERFORM BETTER, as also their OUTPUT MUST BE "EXHAUSTING" TO A LOAD, in order NOT TO CREATE A HIGHER AMPERAGE POPULATION running within Machine Coils.

As ALSO have to Consider that this Machine (Prime Mover) will GIVE BACK to Us the residual non used Energy through their Output terminals (NOT CONNECTED, NOT MEASURED HERE)...and that MUST BE Counted as ADDING to Output OR... DEDUCTED from INPUT...In either way, it is a "PLUS ULTRA" Attribute towards GAIN and NOT LOSS.

I have run another video with tests, please bare with me here , I really do not want to create a heavy discussion on a War of Measurements ...it WILL NOT take Us anywhere....I am trying (beyond my possibilities) to deliver proper tests...I had to get a High Amperage Meter yesterday that could read DC Amps (Not Available everywhere folks), as another one I had of 200 Amps AC...I recorded a video of both measurements Input and Output, HOWEVER, I AM NOT DOING THE RIGHT WAY OF LOADING GENERATOR, I only have two hands, one for the Camera and the other to do the plugging, the switching etc,etc...NOW, Generators are NOT supposed to be loaded AT ONCE a FULL 2000 Watts, that IS NOT RECOMMENDED EVEN IN THE GENERATOR MANUALS...but I am doing it since I do not have the time to make individual switches for each 500 W Lamps/Allowing time for both machines to stabilize...By doing this I am dumping at ONCE a big Load on Generator and ON A PRIME MOVER, WITHOUT REGULATION...and OF COURSE it is going to suddenly and drastically drop down in RPM's...This is FORCING BOTH MACHINES AT EXTREME STRESS ...The Prime Mover is going to SUCK AS MUCH AS IT COULD TO KEEP RUNNING....while the GENERATOR WILL BE OUTPUTTING CLOSE TO MAX TO SATISFY LOADS AT NOT THE RIGHT RPM's...SO, this is NOT A RIGHT AND NOT STRESSED TESTING, BUT ON THE CONTRARY...a VERY stressful one for BOTH Machines...

Initial Battery Voltage 38.1V

INPUT= 1st Reading UNDER LOAD
Voltage: 33.08
Amperage:75.8
Input Watts:2507 Watts?...Is this Correct? OR Should it be the Difference between Starting V and Voltage Drop, which is 5.02 Volts...You tell me which one would be correct.

Input 2nd Reading UNDER LOAD
V:31.2
A:71
W:2215 Watts...

Output

Four Lamps at 120V
Amperage: 41 A

Output Watts: (120X41)=4920 Watts

Now, here, I have not installed a Volt Meter at Output...My Bad...I should have, so we get an exact out voltage,therefore we are "assuming" it is a steady 120V...We should NOT DO THAT and I am conscious about this error, but I would do it eventually...just have to set the proper Mains Out Connectors from Both Generator Outputs in a SAFE manner, (remember, this is High Amperage AC here...and should be handled with extreme caution and safety measures (Meters would be TWO for each output, between the Two Live and sharing the One Common Neutral)

This Generators have two white wires (neutral) and two live wires (red and black), and the Loads MUST BE attached EVENLY , BALANCING each Generating Fields Output.
To Obtain the 240 V the two white are common (joint together) and red-black live would be your two 240 live terminals. That is the reason why I took the Amperage read out from common joint white output from generator, since it is common for both output terminals.


You do/make your own math/calculations here...then You tell Me whether we have Overunity or not...


MECCALTE IMPERIAL RUN 2 - YouTube


Regards to All


I WILL KEEP MAKING BETTER TESTING...SO STAY TUNED...


Ufopolitics
http://www.energeticforum.com/renewable-energy/11885-my-asymmetric-electrodynamic-machines-99.html

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However; the generator is running at around 2450 rpm with the load on. (from the video 6:41)

Let's say it's a typical generator 3600 rpm for 110 V output no load and typical linear V vs rpm curve, then at 2400 rpm the no load Voltage should be around (2450/3600)*110 or about 75 volts. (at about 41 Hz)

Will there be voltage squatting under load of about 41 amps? Voltage measurements at that amperage would be helpful.

So what is the correct power out?

Thanks for the info, nice work there.
Mike

[picowatt]

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However; the generator is running at around 2450 rpm with the load on. (from the video 6:41)

Let's say it's a typical generator 3600 rpm for 110 V output no load and typical linear V vs rpm curve, then at 2400 rpm the no load Voltage should be around (2450/3600)*110 or about 75 volts. (at about 41 Hz)

Will there be voltage squatting under load of about 41 amps? Voltage measurements at that amperage would be helpful.

So what is the correct power out?

Thanks for the info, nice work there.
Mike

The 41 amp AC reading doesn't make much sense.  Not sure why there is such a high reading, as the load is only 2000 watts of incandescent lamps.  It would have been nice if he would have checked each 120VAC leg independently or used the other clamp meter to confirm the AC current.  Both clamp meters can also measure voltage, and an AC voltage reading would have been nice.  As well, the DC reading may be inaccurate as the commutation will produce a lot of high frequency pulsing/noise.

The voltage regulator in the gen head will maintain the proper voltage within a certain range of RPM's.  As the gen lugs down the RPM of the prime mover, the output frequency will vary directly with the gen RPM but the voltage will hold fairly steady until the RPM is so low that the gen windings or exciter can't produce enough current to drive the load and at that point the voltage will drop with further drop in RPM, but not necessarily linearly. 

My backup power gen set has an idle feature that still produces 240/120 at idle, but at around 13Hz.  Normally a sense circuit detects a load and spins it up when a load is applied, but to conserve fuel (and noise), I have drawn a few hundred watts off of it while idling (and tricking the sense circuit).  It can hold its voltage pretty well at idle up to a few hundred watts but collapses at greater loads.

Just about every configuration of motor-generator has been commercially built in the past.  AC to DC, DC to AC, single phase AC to multi-phase AC and vice versa.  They were a lot more common in the "olden days".

Give him more time, he seems intent on getting better measurements.

At the moment though, I'd still hold off on the party...       

[e2matrix]

I have a question or two. If it says 500 watts on the bulb, that means when it's lit, it is drawing 500 Watts, right?
And I'm wondering about the clampon meter. He's measuring what, with it? At one point he shuts the pegged over 40 Amps meter off and says the batteries can't be generating that much. Huh? Those batteries will easily "generate" 400 amps, probably more like 700, if you let them. Try dropping a wrench across that stack and see what happens.
But clampon meters measure AC, anyway, don't they?  Is he trying to use it to measure the battery input power to the motor?
At around 6:00 he says "33 amps, each battery but I had them connected in series" Does he mean "33 amphours capacity"? Because each battery can certainly deliver more than 33 amps, those are Lead Acid Batteries, Deep Cycle kind, aren't they?
Then after he shuts it off he shows that the battery voltage climbs a little. Wow..... who knew that would happen?
Then he uses his fancy laser thermometer to measure the temperature of the .... light bulbs?? I could probably have told him that they were hot. After all.... they were glowing _white hot_ just a few moments before.

I don't have any clue as to where any excess energy or overunity was demonstrated in that video. But the people at Energetic are going on and on with praise and adulation, it almost makes my teeth hurt it is soooooo sweeeeeeet. It's another story of mismeasurement, misinterpretation, and a lot of misdirected enthusiasm. 

I like his crimper, though.

(The next time anyone criticizes any of My videos for shaky camera work, blurs and poor lighting.... I will have them watch this fourteen minutes of motion sickness, and then ask them if their opinion has changed.)

Camera closeups can throw perspective off but he did say those were glass mat small scooter batteries.   So no they can't generate 400 to 700 amps even in a dead short.   But UFO is a very smart guy with lots of engineering background and I don't believe for a minute he would say he had something if he didn't.  He's not asking anyone for money or fame.   He was just trying to get something out on the promised date and will have more solid evidence soon.   Give him some credit as he is spending a huge amount of time, money and work to build all he does and keep everyone at EF up to speed on what he is doing with a lot of education going on regarding the principles behind his ideas.  It's all out there free for everyone - totally open source. 

[icanbeatbob]

Looking at the battery in his last video, here is the specs on the battery.

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[icanbeatbob]

By the way, I am not pro or con on this, just showing what the battery specs are. I have a boat with deep cycle BIG batteries and can honestly say that they won't even come close to start my car, but they last a long long time on the water when I use my trolling motor.