UFO politics Keeps his word 12-12 12 Let the games begin.......

[TinselKoala]

Looking at the battery in his last video, here is the specs on the battery.

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Of course the critical spec for our present discussion, the CCA or MCA (cold cranking amps or marine cranking amps) is missing from Every Listing I could find for the Werker battery.

I did however find this:

You can use a Deep Cycle battery as a starting battery provided that you take into account the lower
CCA of a Deep Cycle battery. As a rule of thumb it's a good idea to upsize the battery by about 20% to
deliver the same amount of cranking amps from a deep cycle battery. Also the self discharge rate of
Sealed batteries is a lot less than flooded lead acid types.

http://www.batteriesinaflash.com/specs/floodedleadacid/TrojanSpecs/Deep%20Cycle%20Battery%20FAQ.pdf

So if a 35 A-H starting LA battery can deliver 600 or 700 CCA, not unrealistic.... a 35 A-H deep cycle battery will be expected to deliver 20 percent less, about. Call it 400 amps to be conservative. See below for a 35 A-H starting battery that delivers 950 CCA.

Now.... if you can find a document that says that the CCA or MCA of the Werker battery is less than 40 amps..... I would like to see it. I still maintain that those batteries are capable of "generating" hundreds of amperes if the "load" is of low resistance. If you can cite any documents that actually contain this vital battery parameter--- available for every battery line I looked at over the past half-hour EXCEPT for the "Werker" line.... I'd like to see them.

SHURiKEN's SK-BT35 Power Cell puts out 950 cranking amps with a 35 amp hour rating. This battery will resist extreme heat conditions and vibrations and is 100% sealed in a reinforced ABS plastic case. SHURiKEN has designed this power cell to be used with ring terminals or a buss bar. You will love the way SHURiKEN batteries get your system powered up and ready to go!

http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_17902_SHURiKEN-SK-BT35.html

[TinselKoala]

Camera closeups can throw perspective off but he did say those were glass mat small scooter batteries.   So no they can't generate 400 to 700 amps even in a dead short.   But UFO is a very smart guy with lots of engineering background and I don't believe for a minute he would say he had something if he didn't.  He's not asking anyone for money or fame.   He was just trying to get something out on the promised date and will have more solid evidence soon.   Give him some credit as he is spending a huge amount of time, money and work to build all he does and keep everyone at EF up to speed on what he is doing with a lot of education going on regarding the principles behind his ideas.  It's all out there free for everyone - totally open source.

I see that a whole lot of people are ordering the motor kits with unwound armatures, for hundreds of dollars a pop, and some people are even concerned that the kit manufacturers won't be able to handle the flood of orders.

Will these people be disappointed when they discover that their systems cannot be self-looped and cannot generate any excess energy over what it takes to run the motor .... if that is the case?

Would it not be better to dampen the wild enthusiasm and get some actual reliable power numbers first, like by using correct instruments correctly ? 

Here's my prediction: UFOPolitics will still be running his house from the grid this Christmas.... and next Christmas too.

[scratchrobot]

I see that a whole lot of people are ordering the motor kits with unwound armatures, for hundreds of dollars a pop, and some people are even concerned that the kit manufacturers won't be able to handle the flood of orders.

Will these people be disappointed when they discover that their systems cannot be self-looped and cannot generate any excess energy over what it takes to run the motor .... if that is the case?

Would it not be better to dampen the wild enthusiasm and get some actual reliable power numbers first, like by using correct instruments correctly ? 

Here's my prediction: UFOPolitics will still be running his house from the grid this Christmas.... and next Christmas too.

At least Diane is giggling 

[evolvingape]

Seems like Werker is just a brand name used by Batteries Plus and the internals could have been made by any manufacturer. Werker may have been superseded by Rayovac brand name.

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Who_makes_Werker_batteries

http://www.bimmerboard.com/forums/posts/872416

The closest I could get to a CCA spec was from an ebay listing selling an alternative battery to the Werker WKDC12-33J, which the 35AH version replaced apparently. 315 CCA on the 12V 35AH UB12350 replacement.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/12v-35ah-U1-UB12350-UPS-Battery-replaces-33ah-Werker-WKDC12-33J-/200696379094

http://www.homesecuritystore.com/p-1813-ub12350-upg-sealed-lead-acid-battery-12volt-35ah.aspx

http://www.topmobility.com/universal-sealed-agm-u1-batteries-ub12350-p2352.htm

[Red_Sunset]

Gents,
Before you all get too enthusiastic, always try to understand what you are looking at.
UFO Politics created a beautiful video presentation and great animations, well done, I will definitely contact him for my next presentation,  but for OverUnity, do your homework before you get carried away.   
Some basic electric motor/generator theory would be of help to understand what UFO is showing. We can agree that the video twist and stretches the truth in order to achieve a better position from which UFO can make his case. The "CEMF/BEMF witch" is well known to be a curse but not exactly for the same reasons that UFO provided in his video.
What touched my attention was a slide (10:30) that says "output greater because of the Laws of Nature and Laws of God" followed at (10:40) "My own concept, using Tesla's secret",  somewhat puzzled on the physics that underpin the concept. I must say its promotional aspect is well done, UFOpolitics understands the power of a good presentation.  We need to give him credit for that, a splendid sales effort, well executed.  But can we believe him all the way ?  I am not so sure.

What is an electric generator ? 
Effectively the same as an electric motor but you drive it mechanically to be able to tap into the EMF generated by the winding rotating through the magnetic field. 
As current is drawn from the generator,  that current creates a magnetic field that opposes the primary magnetic field (BEMF), this makes it harder to maintain the generator RPM and more mechanical power must be input to maintain the electrical output power demand.

What is an electric motor ?
Effectively the same as an electric generator, but you pump in some electrical power and the motor will start turning and you can tap off rotational mechanical power.  The problem with the motor is that when it rotates it also generates power in the same windings. The EMF generated is the same than the generator but is now called Back EMF because it opposes your input power and limits therewith the voltage and RPM. This back EMF controls the power balance in versus mechanical out. When the motor runs the fasted it consumes the least power because back EMF is the highest. This also means that your greatest torque is at low RPM when the current is the greatest (opposite to your combustion engine), one of the reasons why diesel electric hybrid trains are popular.
When you mechanically load the motor, the reaction is slowing of the RPM, this reduces the opposing back EMF and allows more current to flow to compensate for the higher mechanical demand and so maintain the balance.

What did UFOpolitics do?
As shown in his video, "asymmetry to enlightenment",  there are 2 coils, one input (motor coil) and one output (generator coil),  this is the reason for the 2 commutators. 
Both winding interact with the PM main field and with each other.
The primary functionality is the motor since this is required to makes the coils turn through the PM field.
The motor and generator winding will interact with the PM field. As he motor coils are energized, the field they create leads the PM field by 90dgr, and they interact with the generator coil, like a  transformer. This effect is in addition to the to the field changes created by rotation.
The generator coil Cemf field created by the load current will lag by 90dgr on the PM field. The generator coil Cemf field opposes the motor coil field by being 180dgr out of phase.
The motor action is reduced by 2 influences,
1..  The electrical Cemf  (called the "witch" in the video)
2..  The opposing magnetic field created by the generator current, (because they are wound on the same rotor pole). 
These two influences will reduce the motor drive action, and the generator load will be directly responsible for increasing the motor current by reducing the inductance

The generator coil induced emf by the PM main field will be modified by the motor coil field. The motor coil field will influence and distort the overall field as seen by the generator coil, and it is expected that it will reduce the generator lag and bring the generator reaction field more in line with the main field and thereby reduce the magnetic reaction drag force which can be seen as a small gain, a good thing.
Naturally, the  generator loading and the phase shift the load introduces will influence and modify the drag factor.

So what is for and what is against,
The way I see it, some beneficial gain in the generator section but this cost is paid in full by the motor section (+ some more, most likely)
Overunity, possibly when being lenient on some measurement errors. The generator will produces spikes due to commutator motor drive that is fed by DC and inductively coupled to the generator.  Will it do OverUnity in the real world, I do not think so, since there is nothing to suggest this possibility in any way. 
PS:  The motor modification shown in he video can NOT be a  "TESLA SECRET", because Tesla was the king in AC Power and AC motors, not in DC motors.  This motor will have no sine-wave shape anywhere circulating around in these coils, neither going in or coming out (some adulterated half sines, yes).  very unlike Tesla. 
In you think we have a prince, believe me the witch still rules

Remember,  a high idle RPM is no guide to mechanical power,  this is the lowest consumption level because of a high CEMF. A motor without Cemf would always increase in speed until it destroys itself in the process.
There has been a patent in the seventies that did exactly what UFOpolitics claims,  but it wasn't very successful.

When measuring electrical power in these setups be very careful with power factor and wave shapes. Accurate measurements using normal instrumentation in this type of configurations is a nightmare

The Witch ?   I let you find out for yourselves who got bewitched !

Do not take advice uninformed,  take advice to inform yourself !  It will aid you in the long run.

Regards