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TK device, TPU.. Only enter if you seek truth. Cause here it is...

Started by elementSix, December 14, 2012, 07:26:31 PM

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elementSix

A nucleus is in resonance when it absorbs radio frequency radiation and spin flips to a higher energy state. Thus two variables characterize NMR: 1. An applied magnetic field, Bo; and 2, the frequency of the radiation used for resonance (in MHz). The 2 frequency needed for resonance and the applied magnetic field strength are directly proportional. The stronger the applied magnetic field, the larger the energy difference between the two nuclear spin states, and the higher the frequency needed for resonance.

tinu

Quote from: elementSix on December 15, 2012, 03:24:35 AM
I know everyone has seen the Mcfreey Papers...
Those two papers are full of crap, imho.

Quote from: elementSix on December 16, 2012, 03:33:03 PM
The NMR process creates intermittent large spikes during the contant sequences of RF pulses.
Yes, "large" spikes of ...hundreds of microvolts, maybe several milivolts at best!
If you know of larger spikes, I'd be impressed but my opinion is they are fairytales...

Best regards,
Tinu

wasabi

I can believe that NMR can be achieved in metals and ceramics.

Can you explain how NMR releases energy from these materials?
I thought that energy needs to be delivered to nuclei in order to polarize their spins and even more energy needs to be delivered in order to make these polarized nuclei precess at their Larmor frequency.

I also thought, that the only way, these precessing nuclei give back any energy is by thermalization or EM radiation in the RF range - with net-zero energy gain.

So how does the NMR help release the nuclear energy if NMR I/O efficiency is unity at best ?

elementSix

(I'm not claiming to be a genius, I am just learning about NMR, EFNMR, EMR ect..)   But I'll try to shed some light on the subject... 
The Gyromagnetics of the Nuclear spin create a small oscillating magnetic field around the Nucleus.  Now with a large enough sample,  you have all the nucli in the sample rotating at the same time.  In beat with the RF pulse sequence, the TPU produces large amounts of voltage.  If you can prove where the TPU and TK device get their reactive process that generates the energy that they produce,  please let us know.  But this process creates an oscillating voltage, in the form of a signal.  Now the voltage is thought to be just RF energy, but it's not.  Thats a well known misconception.  Rf radiation is a bi-product that comes along with the energy that is produced.  Now if you have a large enough sample, with good strong RF pulses that keep the Nucli all spinning and flipping in the same orientation. creating an oscillating magnetic field.  Well all you need is a good copper collector to intersect at the right angles and you have your Voltage.  How else could this energy be created.  NMR is used on organic compounds and other chemicals to discover the properties of whats in that sample.  When they do metals, they usually put shavings in a solution.    "You say that it only creates Milli volts", well yes that is very true.  Thats why they put metal into a solution.  The buildup on a large metal sample could  hurt someone.  Also you have to think that they use NMR on organic molecules and those of course wouldn't put off much energy at all..

wasabi

Quote from: elementSix on December 17, 2012, 08:29:25 PM
(I'm not claiming to be a genius, I am just learning about NMR, EFNMR, EMR ect..)   But I'll try to shed some light on the subject... 
The Gyromagnetics of the Nuclear spin create a small oscillating magnetic field around the Nucleus. 
Basically correct but I'd prefer to write, that it is the precessing nucleus that is the source of these oscillations.

Quote from: elementSix on December 17, 2012, 08:29:25 PM
Now with a large enough sample,  you have all the nuclei in the sample rotating at the same time.
Basically correct but I'd prefer to write, that in homogeneous static polarizing magnetic field many of the nuclei in the sample are precessing in phase.

Quote from: elementSix on December 17, 2012, 08:29:25 PM
In beat with the RF pulse sequence, the TPU produces large amounts of voltage. 
I heard that too.  It allegedly produces strong output pulses that are synchronized with the input RF pulse sequence.
Strong pulses mean high voltage and current together.  Voltage alone is not power nor energy. If it were not so, I could rub my cat's fur and power my fridge.

Quote from: elementSix on December 17, 2012, 08:29:25 PM
If you can prove where the TPU and TK device get their reactive process that generates the energy that they produce,  please let us know.  But this process creates an oscillating voltage, in the form of a signal. 
I can't prove a thesis that has not been formulated yet, but if the energy comes from the matter of the core, then it can be from the temperature of the mater, its ionization energy (electrons around the nucleus) or the nucleus itself.

Quote from: elementSix on December 17, 2012, 08:29:25 PM
Now the voltage is thought to be just RF energy, but it's not.  Thats a well known misconception. 
Lone NMR absorbs RF energy, stores it for a while in the precession and gives it back. 
I have never seen any evidence that NMR gives back more RF energy than it absorbs. ...there have been millions of experiments made and nobody ever has measured any excess RF.

The voltage and current pulse, you mentioned above, does not have to come from the precession of the nucleus at all.
If you think about the nature of voltage and current, you'll notice immediately that voltage and current cannot come from the precession of the nucleus, because voltage and current always require the movement of electric charges and the nucleus is practically stationary.  In other words you cannot have voltage and current without moving electric charges.

Quote from: elementSix on December 17, 2012, 08:29:25 PM
RF radiation is a bi-product that comes along with the energy that is produced.
You seem to imply that there are 2 types of energies being output from the SM TPU and TK devices.
- RF EM radiations (photons)
- Pulses of electric current (moving charges)

The RF radiation is the energy that is being re-radiated back after the process used to establish nuclear precession delivered it from outside of the system.
The pulse of electric current is an extra energy of unknown origin.

Quote from: elementSix on December 17, 2012, 08:29:25 PM
Now if you have a large enough sample, with good strong RF pulses that keep the Nuclei all spinning and flipping in the same orientation. creating an oscillating magnetic field.  Well all you need is a good copper collector to intersect at the right angles and you have your Voltage. 
Indeed, the RF radiation emitted by precessing nucleus has a magnetic and electric component, but those are low frequency photons, that do not constitute a strong voltage & current pulse, in fact photons do do not constitute voltage & current at all.
Yes, these radiated photons could be received by a copper antenna (a conservative process that converts the energy of photons into the movement of electric charges in conductors containing free charges - electrons) creating an AC current, but there is no energy gain here. We could discuss the difference between near-field antennas (antennas that affect the source) and far-field antennas (antennas that do not affect the source) but the bottom line will be that the RF radiation emitted by precessing nuclei is not greater that the energy inputted to get them precessing.

The high voltage current pulse is a different story.

Quote from: elementSix on December 17, 2012, 08:29:25 PM
How else could this energy be created. 
I don't think energy can be created. It can only be liberated, stored and converted.
But just because we do not know "how" does not mean that it cannot be done somehow "else".

Quote from: elementSix on December 17, 2012, 08:29:25 PM
NMR is used on organic compounds and other chemicals to discover the properties of whats in that sample.  When they do metals, they usually put shavings in a solution.    "You say that it only creates Milli volts", well yes that is very true.  Thats why they put metal into a solution.  The buildup on a large metal sample could  hurt someone.  Also you have to think that they use NMR on organic molecules and those of course wouldn't put off much energy at all..
The reason NMR is not attempted on bulk metals is: eddy currents induced by time varying magnetic fields and the associated skin-effect.  The safety of bulk ferromagnetic materials in strong magnetic fields is also an issue.

The bottom line is:  NMR alone is incapable of generating strong pulses of electric current.
But NMR together with some other phenomenon, could be capable.