New guy with SMOT questions

[sknoxmn]

Do keep in mind that the name SMOT isn't exactly accurate either.  I am not trying to generate power. and I certainly am not trying to get more work out of that it starts with.

Some people say that the hypothetical SMOT can never make even 1 complete cycle. aka closing of the loop.

The closing the loop generally means the magnetic loop. and we all know that this closed system, isolated to the fields, will never be perpetual if for no other reason than friction.

I am somewhat aware of the potential energy and the KE of the ball.  Its that KE that I want to use to get the ball back to the start postion.  Even with the almost undetecable push prior to being drawn into the ramp.

Im thinking steeper entry and let it roll on in. Just make sure its dropped higher than its start point and let gravity take care of the friction portion.  I dont see gravity stopping doing what its been doing anytime soon. 

at some point I also think people need to set a threshold as to what is considered to be perpetual, would gravity be perpetual? enough ranting on my part.  The new magnets should arrive tomorrow.

I'll get through the first cycle first and piss a lot of people off.   

-S

[happyfunball]

Watch Bill's videos he tried all that.

[TinselKoala]

Yes, gravity is perpetual. That's the problem.... it doesn't flow, you can't deplete it or turn it into something else, it's a characteristic of "space", whatever that is, caused by the presence of mass. The only way to affect gravity is to change the distribution of mass in space, and the only thing you can do with gravity is to affect the distribution of mass in space. The interplay between the gravitational PE of a mass wrt some reference point, and the KE of a moving mass (as a pendulum or flywheel, for examples), is a perfect energy storage mechanism. It's strictly a BYOE (bring your own energy) kind of party, though.

[minnie]

Hi,
    when you get say a close orbiting moon to a planet that moon deforms and heats up. Is that energy coming from the slowing
down of that system?
                                John.

[Low-Q]

Hi,
    when you get say a close orbiting moon to a planet that moon deforms and heats up. Is that energy coming from the slowing
down of that system?
                                John.

Yes it does. Take the moon Europa around Saturn. Its core is heated up that way because it rotates around its own axis. However, these systems are gigantic systems with lots of mass, so the system will take looooong time to see noticable change in velocity, thus loss of kinetic energy. It isn't the orbit around saturn that will slow down first, but the moons rotation around its own axis.


Our moon is said to be a cold moon because the moon does rotate aroud its own axis with the exact same rate as the moon orbits the Earth. Hence there will not be a change in the deformation of the moon which would cause it to heat up. However the moon cause the sea to deform as it orbits the Earth and also apply heat to the sea by slowing down the moon. In spite of the slowing moon, it increase the distance to the Earth by a few centimeters each year.



Look at the Earths scale, after the big earthquake in Japan last year caused lots of mass to move towards the poles. This mass displacement caused the Earth to actually speed up the Earth with a few micro seconds per day. This will cause the Earth core to heat up further as it rotates faster in the gravity field from the sun. However, this appearently increased energy is already applied by the sun in advance - energy that caused the tectonic plates to suddenly release its potential (Stored) energy.


In all a very big systems that is changing very slowly compared to its scale. Lucky for us, the scale is so big, we can actually harness the energy loss and get useful energy supply for what ever we want to power - because we are so small, and our energy demands is nanoscale compared to the energy that is released in a planetary system.


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