Resonance and HHO

[zwitt]

Hi,

you know this work ?

http://www.ijee.ieefoundation.org/vol3/issue1/IJEE_13_v3n1.pdf

Zbig

[magpwr]

Hi,

If anyone plan to work on HHO which produce produce large amount of HHO at 12volts x 0.5amp.

Before embarking on this project electronics knowledge is a must.

Please refer to the video below.The pdf link was extracted from youtube description.There is no selling involved so this is not a scam.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9XrLOudwRw

http://www.panaceauniversity.org/Ravi%20Cell.pdf

After reading the pdf document few times over.
1)This is what i know seamless stainless steel rods got to be used 316 or 316L with gaps less than 1.57mm(Please use online unit convertor to convert to inch,depending on your region).
2)Rods got to be sanded should not have smooth surface even for the inner tube
3)Conditioning at 0.2amps using pulsed current to lower current input to prevent unstable big white chunk being form on tube which may fall off easily.
4)Tubes got to be air dried after each condition cycle as mention in the document.The white layer which slowly forms on tube should never be touched.Conditioning the tubes takes 3 months.

Pulsing circuit or frequency generator can be purchased in ebay on the cheap or create Dave Lawton circuit http://www.making-hydrogen.com/hydrogen-generator-555-timer.html

Imaging having hho torch(Temperature around 2800C) using around 6watt of power or using hho fire heat to power stirling generator.

There is possibility of getting overunity by using free piston stirling engine with helium instead of air.Better than using hho for cars or petrol generator which could wear off engine parts quicker.
Please take note ignition timing got to be retarded a little for optimal performance for petrol engine.

[rogerthat]

I am new to this thread, but not HHO research, nor this site, and it's been a while, so I forgot my last username and had to register as a new user.

I have a few theories about the Meyer's resonance issue, some of which I have proven.

Water molecules become entrained in the process of conducting electrons.
The Russians have put this into use to reduce friction encountered while moving vessels and torpedoes in water.
Picture water molecules forming strands like hair.
Once the molecules are entrained, they resist making new conduction paths.
I have placed 2 electrodes in water, spaced 3mm apart, and while I was applying a high voltage signal at resonant freq to those electrodes, they were totally insulated from each other, and no current would flow between them while 40 volts was applied across them.

Resonance:
A resonant circuit consists of an inductor and a capacitor.
Picture a spring (inductor) and a weight (capacitor), similar to a door-stop spring or a tuning fork.
Now back to actual circuitry.
In Meyer's circuitry, the inductor is apparent, the capacitor is not so apparent.
How many electrons exist in any glass of water? (would vary with the amount of water)
Can a glass of water hold a static charge? (yep)
Picture an inductor pumping electrons in and out of water through a single electrode.
The electrons yanked out of the water have to go somewhere (some larger body, earth or a car body maybe)
The plates of a capacitor can be brought close together to increase storage capacity, or set miles apart.
Either way, each plate still has electrons that can be pumped in or out to create a surplus or deficit.
Either way, it's still a functional capacitor.
When the plates are far apart, the measurable capacity will be dependant on the lesser of the two masses.
When the plates are close together, the capacity is augmented by the electric field created between the plates.

I said all that to say this.
The resonant frequency Meyer's speaks of is based on the inductive capacity of the VIC, and the lesser capacitive mass of the cell (electrodes and water combined).  The resonance has nothing to do with the spacing of the electrodes in the water, or the quality of the water itself.  (The cell is one of the two capacitor plates)

Operating at resonance keeps the water molecules entrained.

The VIC:
The VIC bifilar windings server two purposes.
1) An inductor involved in creating the resonant part of the circuit which entrains the electrons in the cell.
2) An extension cord and analog delay line for the delayed application of a high voltage differential to the cell electrodes.

Picture +3000 volts being equally applied to two electrodes, which entrain the water molecules and subsequently deplete the water of electrons, then, while the electrodes have been insulated from each other by the entrainment of the water molecules, a high voltage differential is applied to the electrodes.

With the entrainment engaged, and a high voltage field applied across the entrainment strands, and some of the water molecules having fewer than the required electrons needed to sustain the covalent bonding, the molecule breaks down.

I may have left a few small details out, but that's my theory in a nutshell.

I have yet to apply more than 40 volts across the electrodes.

Also, I have made water break down using only one electrode using a signal consisting of high voltage spikes at 60 cycles.

[Manolis]

I realise this is an old discussion but it came up in a search for "electrolysis resonant frequency" so I signed up to ask whether any progress has been made?

I'm an Electronics Engineer (university degree) retired. I have built my own small electronics workshop in the garden. I'm building an HHO generator to see whether it makes any difference to the running of my 50cc motorbike. There's not much current available from the magneto (12v system) so the HHO gas generator needs to be efficient.

I thought of pulsing the supply current using a 555 circuit to drive a MOSFET or similar. So far I have 6 interleaved plates put together using Inox stainless steel perforated with 4.8 mm holes and using nylon spacers. The steel just barely attracts a very strong magnet so I guess theres some nickel in it.

Hmm, I can't read the verification code. I can see that it's going to be tedious to type posts here. FUABHC
OK, second try! FUADHC

[pauldude000]

I realise this is an old discussion but it came up in a search for "electrolysis resonant frequency" so I signed up to ask whether any progress has been made?

I'm an Electronics Engineer (university degree) retired. I have built my own small electronics workshop in the garden. I'm building an HHO generator to see whether it makes any difference to the running of my 50cc motorbike. There's not much current available from the magneto (12v system) so the HHO gas generator needs to be efficient.

I thought of pulsing the supply current using a 555 circuit to drive a MOSFET or similar. So far I have 6 interleaved plates put together using Inox stainless steel perforated with 4.8 mm holes and using nylon spacers. The steel just barely attracts a very strong magnet so I guess theres some nickel in it.

Hmm, I can't read the verification code. I can see that it's going to be tedious to type posts here. FUABHC
OK, second try! FUADHC

If you are still here, lol, then the 555 designs are a couple of pages back. Good circuits both of them. As far as progress? Yes. By the way, all of Stanley Meyers patents are now public domain as, since his death, his wife discontinued paying renewal fees, which let the patents expire years back.


Even though I am the Author, I had forgotten about this thread. I wrote it back when I was still working on another different type of OU project. Since then, I have read Stanley's patents, which explained his thought processes, and have examined the various devices drawn up for the patents. The concept is fairly straight forwards, but he, like other inventors often do to prevent people from easily using patents to create devices, threw in some red herrings into the mix, like his lasers.


He was basing it off of resonant technology and Tesla style harmonics, as I suspected at the start of this thread. However, that being said it is a lot easier to say than do. The target frequency is HUGE, way into the Ghz band. The only way to access it is through harmonic resonance. The problem with this is that, the farther away you get from the applied frequency, the harmonics slowly fade away in power. Basically, you have to hit the water molecules fairly hard with pulses designed to cause them to stretch to max, then hit them with a sharp pulse to cause them to break. The water molecules will not all be in sync, so only some will break at any given point.


Like I said, sounds easy -- but in practice it is not.


I have the knowledge, but ambition is somewhat lacking as I do not know whether I feel like painting a target on my back.