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Resonance and HHO

Started by pauldude000, February 01, 2013, 06:14:06 AM

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SolarLab


A quick 2 cents worth;


Mr. Meyer published an 'interesting' sales document entitled "Stanley Meyer - WFC Dealership Manual." It used to be on Woodside's site [globalkast.com] but you might have to search a bit to find it. Based, in part, on this document; briefly, here's one approach that might be worth looking at:


- H2O resonance in the water fuel cell cavity relates to molecule/protron/electron collisions driven by the HV positive and HV negative plate stimulation; possibly the "space" part of the mark/space waveform; Meyer predicts this produces a major gas production boost; this is driven by the mechanical cell configuration [plate spacing, etc.];


- Rapid electrical pulses, forming the "mark" part of the waveform, assist in inhibiting current flow [the inductors and cell (Cap) form an RLC tank]; this is driven by the electronic (RF) behavior of the circuit;


- Maintaining the pulse frequency such that this "tank circuit" is in electrical resonance will produce {theoretical} infinite high Voltage across the cell (capacitor);


- Meyer also alludes to further stimulation methods and techniques; as well as Skin Effect and Standing Waves, amongst other things; note where he taps the coaxial tubes for electrical connection, for example;


One nice feature of experimenting with Meyer's Water Fuel Cell is you can rapidly achieve some moderate success quite easily- especially when employing a simple 2 plate adjustable test configuration driven by a simple power amplified signal generator or a bifilar Tesla coil driven by an induction cooktop!


After you get the "feel of it" here's a link to a Test Set-up that might be useful:

"HYDROXY (HHO) WaterFuelCell EVALUATION TEST SETUP"


http://contest.techbriefs.com/machinery-and-equipment-2011/1887


Hey, this stuff is very do-able "but the time is just not quite ripe" yet... If your an RF/uWave designer you've already got a "leg up!"


Good Luck and Be Careful 

Gwandau

Quote from: pauldude000 on February 13, 2013, 02:43:40 AM
The reason for the secondary resonant system is that I will be imparting short duration pulse-trains of immense power through the HHO tank at the proper frequency, while using diddly squat in the driving circuit. Yes, I will shield the coil with a Faraday cage...

I find your idea very intriguing and sophisticated and I'm going to have your concept in mind when staging my own experiments later this spring. I agree to that "a wave is a wave", following same rules in regard to harmonics and resonance, but isn't there possibly a difference in the very geometry of the molecular compression effects when subjecting the dipolaric water molecules to sound respective electromagnetic waves?

I am presently immersing myself in the study of all physicochemical data available about water, including the diversity of crystal structures in liquid water when exposed to different physical, chemical and electromagnetic environments. The crystal diffences of water in room temperature are not directly visible, but are easily studied in a cold room with a low magnification polarized microscope by letting a drop of the water crystallize upon a plate of glass in minus 5 Degrees Celius. This ability to act as a "memory" indicates that water conceals a lot of unknown properties, not directly observable.


I belive there is a code in the crystal structure of water that corresponds with the molecular geometry, so as far as I am concerned, one may have to include the crystal properties as an important parameter for optimal settings. At least this is what I intend to find out during march-april, in good time before before my new workshop springs into life, since after that I will have trouble keeping myself from doing experiments. ;D


This is a bit off-topic, but I have always wondered how Tesla and Schuman arrived to the below figures.


Tesla:
Electromagnetic frequency spectra of earth:
7.8 Hz @ 0.12mW/Hz
14.1 Hz @ 0.10mW/Hz
20.0 Hz @ 0.06mW/Hz
25.0 Hz @ 0.05mW/Hz

Schumann Resonance Data:
Electromagnetic frequencies:
7.83 Hz First Harmonic
14.1 Hz Second Harmonic
20.3 Hz Third Harmonic
26.4 Hz Fourth Harmonic
32.4 Hz Fifth Harmonic


Gwandau

SeaMonkey

Quote from: pauldude
We want to input a harmonic frequency which by nature strengthens the other harmonics. I originally thought Tesla used the classic model for resonance. However, many of his statements were confusing at best concerning resonance. I thought it was just me. It wasn't until I realized he had is own quasi-model of resonance that he based his reasoning upon that everything started to make sense.

Producing a signal which is rich in phase locked harmonics
is quite easy.  One of the most useful in this respect is the
pulse waveform;  a short pulse with fast rise and fall times.
For example, a 1.0 KHz pulse waveshape with sharp edges
can produce harmonics into the hundreds of MHz and beyond.
But this is not "resonance."

Other waveshapes, which are a distortion of the sinusoid, will
produce harmonics as well.  The shape of the wave will determine
whether the harmonics are odd, even, or both.


Quote from: pauldude
The strongest harmonics are going to be those which reinforce the parent frequency, which itself is merely the center harmonic in the system. Other harmonics will interplay, but will cancel themselves out quickly. Strong harmonics far away on the scale from the original input frequency will be those naturally reinforcing. If you want a specific harmonic to be present very far from the original frequency, the input must by nature be reinforcing.

Harmonics are derived from the distorted fundamental waveshape
and their spectrum can be extremely broad.  By altering the shape
of the fundamental wave it is possible to accentuate certain harmonics.



Quote from: pauldude
The main POWER in the input signal is at either maximum or at minimum. We don't want the amperage leading or lagging the emf, so the system must be at Q. We need the harmonics to span an extreme range and get as close as possible to the desired frequency, but stay reinforcing. We need each reversal of energy to impart the maximum amount of energy possible into the system.

When a system is "at Q" or resonance it will by nature exhibit
a narrow bandpass;  the higher the Q the narrower the bandpass.
An efficient resonant circuit will filter out most harmonics.
In order for harmonics to span a broad (extreme) range the circuit
must be non-resonant.


Quote from: pauldude
You have to think backwards in comparison to what you are used to with the classic model. In the classic model all harmonics are resonant, simply because they resonate. In Tesla's unique universe, harmonics are at pure resonance when they reinforce all other harmonics in the system. In a different approach, to Tesla there was no real practical difference between one type of wave and another. A sound wave or pressure wave was conceptually equal to an electromagnetic wave in reaction and interaction.

You'll have to elaborate on the "all harmonics are resonant
simply because they resonate" and how in Tesla's universe
"harmonics are at pure resonance."


Quote from: pauldude
Harmonic implies harmony, not dissonance. To a quarter wave resonant system, any harmonic which does not naturally reinforce is dissonance in the system. What we would call today undesirable static or white noise.

A quarter wave resonant system such as an antenna,
a coil or a resonant cavity, is responsive to certain near
harmonics.

Quote from: pauldude
I just proofread this, and I realized I left something important out.


Notice those three waves in the picture I uploaded. There is something of note in them, which the other 'harmonics' (dissonants) do not do, which is match the original signal anywhere but at the beginning of the main wave, and the end. The only reason they are resonant at all is they share two zero emf nodes with the parent wave. As you notice in the picture, a true harmonic shares four, one every 90 degrees. 0 , maximum , 0 ,  minimum and then the cycle starts over.

The graphic you provided illustrates the normal
phase relationships of the various harmonics
which are within the structure of a distorted
sinusoid.  You'll have to clarify what you mean
by "the only reason they are resonant at all..."

wings

Quote from: SeaMonkey on February 14, 2013, 12:03:22 AM
The graphic you provided illustrates the normal
phase relationships of the various harmonics
which are within the structure of a distorted
sinusoid.  You'll have to clarify what you mean
by "the only reason they are resonant at all..."

.... any substance - regardless of what is its composition - becomes plasma if heated high enough i.e. ionized . However, once it is heated it doesn't contain molecules, as all chemical bonds are broken.

now the best way to control the plasma is by  two excitation frequencies.

see on google search : dual frequency plasma

more with dual frequency you can have double effect by Superimposition of Waves

http://www.malinc.se/math/trigonometry/wavesen.php


wings

Quote from: wings on February 14, 2013, 02:23:03 AM
.... any substance - regardless of what is its composition - becomes plasma if heated high enough i.e. ionized . However, once it is heated it doesn't contain molecules, as all chemical bonds are broken.

now the best way to control the plasma is by  two excitation frequencies.

see on google search : dual frequency plasma

more with dual frequency you can have double effect by Superimposition of Waves

http://www.malinc.se/math/trigonometry/wavesen.php



see

http://www.newphysics.se/archives/maps/waterplasma/


and - Cavitation Intensity Amplification Effect created by a Dual-Frequency Reactor driven at 16 kHz and 20 kHz

http://www.advancedsonics.com/Dual-Frequency%20Processing%20Technology,%20Reactors.htm#DF