Free Solid State/mechanical energy

[barbosi]

Hi All,

Can anyone confirm that these are the correct magnets to get? I have just sent them an email to confirm they aren't multi poled.

M-941 Curved Pieces for Unimag Set (set of 10) - $5.95

http://www.teachersource.com/catalog/page/Electricity_Magnetism_Engines/Magnet_Products/?id=9f64d1e8afe8270d1c2ce4d23ab35b2f

Cheers

Nat

The problem I see with those magnets (except the chance to be multipole) is that you should brake them in half. In this adventure you should be very lucky or extremely carefull because you'll need four *exact* size for timing/sync considerations. You have 3 pulses per each tronson between two voids.

But if afford, buy 2-3 sets and see what you get.
Also it was like 6 inch ring OD if I rememer...

Regards.

[satyoda]

Hi to all,

the way I see it, it could also be a multi pole because you would get also 8 voids
the magnets from post 116 would have three voids per magnet plus the 2 when you put them together.
the voids each are 90 degree turned from each other the 2 voids in the middle would murge to one void.
I dont think that in the device from Tesla a multy pole was used but mabe the directions of the void is what this device is making this ticking because from the drawing from erfinder we can see two layer's of magnets so if the second layer of magnets is shifted from the top layer then al the voids would be facing each other in a different angle.
the rotation of both field would not be in fase and we would get a stress in the field with a high frequency.
this high frequency would start to resonate with the coils.
the induction of the coils would give out the electrical energy.
We will only know for sure if I ore somebody else would bild the device.
The company neotex in Berlin Germany also got something but it looks to smal I will oder some and also look in to some old drives i got.
tomorrow I am gone move to my new house so I wont be able to start testing my idea with in the next week but I will keep you posted.

keep on digging and soon we will be free

satyoda

[barbosi]

Although I'm in a phase toward comprehension, I'll try to share my understanding so far.
For this, I'll try to use not my words, but rather quotes (Leedskalnin) which I found most representative for this understanding.

First, with regard to magnetism, I found Edward Leedskalnin's experiments quite revealing and go beyond the presentations form school books. So if you can and need to prove yourself, I recomend experiencing Leedskalnin instead of Erfinder's setup. As he said, the setup is more directed towards comprehension. But first is comprehension of simple basic things.

Before I start, I find apropriate one quote as a base for reasoning:

All our ideas  should produce good and lasting results and then anything that is good NOW would have been good in the PAST and it will be good in the FUTURE and it will be good UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES, so any idea that does not cover all this broad base
IS NO GOOD.

To be right, one's thought will have to be BASED ON  NATURAL  FACTS,  for really, Mother  Nature  ONLY  can tell what is right and what is wrong and the way that things should be.

My definition of right is that right is anything in nature that exists without ARTIFICIAL MODIFICATION and all the others are wrong.

Now suppose you would say it is wrong. In that case, I would  say YOU are wrong  yourself  because you came into this world through natural circumstances that YOU HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH and so as long as such a thing exists as yourself, I am right and you are wrong.

Only those are right whose thoughts are BASED on natural  facts  and inclinations.

Now, Erfinder said about magnets that inside there are two flow movements, one from North to South and another from South to North. These are not at the same strenght, one is dominant. The proof is in Edward Leedskalnin's experiments (see whole text at http://www3.sympatico.ca/slavek.krepelka/exper/magcur.htm):


Proof 1 (There are 2 magnetic currents - here is used a copper wire as electromagnet instead of a magnet):

Balance the 3Ft compass well, so that it would stop on its right magnetic position.

Place the car battery south of your gismo, positive terminal east and negative terminal west. Connect the east end of the 16Ga copper wire with the positive terminal and the west end of the copper wire with the negative terminal lead. Hold the copper wire just above the compass, a quarter of an inch north of the compass end, level and square. Touch the battery and the magnet will swing east.

Place the battery north of your gismo with its positive terminal east and its negative terminal west. Connect the west end of the copper wire with negative terminal and its east end with the negative lead. Place the copper wire a quarter of an inch south of the compass end. Hold the copper wire just above the needle, square and level and touch the positive terminal. The compass will swing west. If the battery is right and the NS magnets strong enough, and the compass rod is well balanced, it will repeat the same thing every time.

See also attached picture: Ed_Leedskalnin-currents-flow.gif (source http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Leedskalnin_Magnetic_Currents:Monsieur_Bonheur)


Proof 2 (magnet poles are not equal in strenght)

Place the north pole of the U magnet under a box with iron filings, and see how much it pushes up. Repeat with the South Pole and see how much it pushes up. Do this several times over and you will see that the south pole pushes up more than the north pole. This experiment shows again that the magnets are in equal strength on level ground.

See also attached picture: Ed_Leedskalnin-pushpull.gif (source http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Leedskalnin_Magnetic_Currents:Monsieur_Bonheur)

Now that we know about existence of two currents, can we may make a connection with Ed Gray's statement about "splitting the positive"? don't know (yet).

More to come...

[barbosi]

Another experiment described at http://peswiki.com/index.php/Directory:Leedskalnin_Magnetic_Currents:Monsieur_Bonheur I find quite puzzling see also picture:

Discover for yourself that magnetic force is a movement!

If you do this experiment, you'll see for yourself there is indeed movements in those magnetic currents. More than that, you'll see differences in the two directions of the flows. By magnetising two small strand of hard steel wire and bending them you will create imbalance and discover something special. (Use a long magnet bar, so you can avoid the influence of the opposite poles.)

I coudn't find this particular experiment allegedly proposed by Ed Leedskalnin, but anyone can perform it, it would be interesting to know why South poles repel and North poles attract.

I'll be back when I can present answers or I have a decent formulated question (it bothers me now the relationship betwee magnetic fields and the aluminum core "In the aluminium the field sloshes back and forth spilling diamagnetism")


PS:

Remember the following universal truth


"Positive charge attracts positive charge, and expels negative discharge.  Negative discharge repels both negative discharge and positive charge."

                                                                                            The Universal One

Positive Charge = Paramagnetism = EMF
Negative Discharge = Diamagnetism = BEMF

[DigiLab]

From the information provided and the way I understand them I?ll give it a try. I apologize in advance if I am wrong somewhere in my interpretation.

About magnets:
From the drawing provided the objective is to have magnetic field in toroid shape formed by permanent magnet. The simplest way to do this is like shown on the drawing, with combinations of 4 or more magnets. Why? Permanent magnets in toroid shape do exist and are very much used but they are not magnetized in the way this application demands. Their usual magnetization is one pole on the top and the other on the bottom, but that?s not the case here where there are no poles. In order for one to magnetize the toroid magnet as it is asked here you will need some ?special? magnetizing coil which will produce magnetizing magnetic field which will rotate 360 degrees only once. I am not aware of existence and use of such a magnetizing coil. So to keep things simple you take four magnets that are axially magnetized and combined them to achieve the desired effect. I have attached drawing to support this explanation. On the 4 points where the magnets are touching, there is a little ?fringing? flux, if I may call it like that, but that?s miniscule compared to magnetic flux inside the formed toroid.

About the coils;
I have no particular comment since I was kind of jumping through the forum and didn?t find the direction of the axis of the coils. I guess there can be only two ways, which the coils can be wounded. One would be, the axis of the coils would be radial to the center of toroid, the other would be perpendicular to the first one. Both are self-explanatory.

About the electronics:
From the drawing provided circuit consists of two coils (primary, secondary), two capacitors (one capacitor is battery) and one switch.

Switch closed: The current from battery is flowing in the secondary, and by that transferring energy to magnetic field of the coil.

Switch open: New circuit forms. Now two coils and two capacitors are connected. One capacitor is the battery and the other is if I picked it up correctly High voltage, small value capacitor. So there will be a series connection of two capacitors, which will give a small value of total capacitance, and on the other side we will have two coils in same order of inductance value connected in series. What will happen is resonance or exchange of energy between the two coils (the half of the magnetic energy which was stored in secondary will go to primary if they have the same inductance once this circuit is formed) and the two capacitors. So the energy will go back and forth (magnetic in coils, electric in capacitors). One thing to note here during resonance is that since the high voltage capacitor is small in capacitance compared to battery, high voltage will be developed on it, compared to the voltage on the battery, which will not be affected at all during this resonance, because of its high capacity.

Switch closed again:
The current from the battery is flowing in the secondary. The primary coil and small HV capacitor are forming a resonant circuit on its own, because there is energy left in the capacitor or primary coil (depends when do you turn the switch), but now since the big guy is gone (battery) this will be a damped oscillations, depending on the Q of the new formed resonant circuit.

During this operation of the circuit, what are the interactions of the magnetic fields of the primary, secondary and toroid I haven?t think about that and I don?t know. First I would need to know the exact orientation of the coils.

Godspeed.

Regards.