Free Solid State/mechanical energy

[barbosi]

Sorry Barbosi I hope i didnt offend anyone....

No offense taken, rather I hope not to offend anyone.
It's rather about having a relaxed conversation, stereotype free.

And now shooting back questions:

A: You measure the inductance of the secondary coils (or calculate them with an induction formula).  You then figure out how large your capacitor needs to be to cancel out this inductance (the formula to figure this out is [0 = (2Ïâ,¬f)?LC -1], where f is the frequency, L is the calculated inductance, and C is the capacitor value.)

Are you sure this is not how you shift phase in a LC circuit between U and I?
Here we talk about 2 separate circuits one inductor and another one induced. How is that different?

On the primary side you will want to make sure that your frequency is the same as what you use for your secondary.

I would rather say the other way around. What is in primary is a given from the electric company.

+ or - 90 degrees doesn't matter.

I thought this is how you control the rotation sense.

A: Zero resistance means large current, small voltage. 

This implies a series LC? How would you consider the secondaries and capacitor? parallel? series?

Related to how it spins:

A: Magnetic interaction between the secondary coils and the rotor.  Basically magnetic induction.

A basic magnetic induction gives me a transformer. It should be something more to give me the push in the loose parts (rotor).

... The device runs on unity.

9. Why?

A: If the power you put into a system is returned, then no power was lost.  Ideally, you have a unity motor. 

Here is what nat might have to say:

.....but one must ask the question why bother to have the armature at all and why rotate it.

If I look more carefully to both statements, I would say this is over unity, not just unity.


Now... first step for [whatever] problem cure is to admit you have a problem.
It will come the state of denial. Now I see Erfinder is trying to keep us busy and not to look but religiously at his statements. And at Tesla too. I think he is a MIB. There is only one way to find the truth. Expose him or find what he is trying to show and if is right... then is not a MIB! He might be right. Or not.
Lets formulate simple questions which a simple mind can answer. Or if you ask me a question and I can shamelessly can answer it, then Erfinder may take us to the next level. Or postpone it... as a MIB I believe he is...

Have a good one and I hope you got my message: turn every rock, even you think you know the truth. Is taking too much already.

[brnbrade]

Peoples.

Those waves Sinusoidal 90? are used to push pull or to excite the powers.
As wet string and you pass the fingers to remove the liquid. That is important.
Waves of the strong sea play you for far.

They are as shock waves.
I didn't understand is: As H.V. Can he work in the place of inductive currents?
I see HV of the device as an pulsating of the high frequencies. He will reverberate as wave reflex!
With certainty it filters the waves and it impels again against.
Where does he work in that if the primary is power off?


I wait to have done understood inside of my thought.!

Regards

[Trump]

barbosi

Bold statements you are making? I guess what I see is someone trying to have us help ourselves to learn more about the Tesla Patent. Would it make any difference if his name was divulged or not, it would remain to be seen if he is here to help us or hinder us. I am one to believe he is here to help us. What do we have to lose? getting knowledge of Tesla's patents is not a bad thing. I could E-mail John Bedini who I know and ask him as he has umpteen years in this stuff, but what would that do for us other then have him give two cents in what the patent says? I know it is stressful trying to talk about this stuff every day and yet we seem to not get anyplace. There is not that much to the Patent and yet we all seem to weave off the topic from time to time , I know I do anyway. I did not see any guarantee of a pot of gold at the end of getting through the patents? Maybe someone can point out where he said that at the end of this you will all be able to build the "SG",  If there is such a place please show me. meantime I am like you barbosi, nodding my head from time to time and trying to get the just of what is going on and hopefully gaining knowledge of this more every day. If everyone looks back to the first few postings on this site, they were working with  some circuits and then all of the sudden they stopped shortly when Erfinder cam on as he said that people did not know the patent and everyone needs to study and learn before trying to build anything. I may be missing some things, but I have said it before I am here to learn and I feel my time is not wasted to try and learn.  Yes maybe there could be another way to do this, but Erfinder can only answer that part.



Trump

[barbosi]

One final remark, I'm tired already.
Is not about the phase between U and I.
Tesla said (page 1, line 34) "Another now well - known method ... securing a difference of phase between the energizing currents". So is about phase shift between "I" in both circuits. Also restated in page 2 Line 8 - 12.
So we got 2 circuits in a relationship of induction. The phase between currents in both circuits is secured with capacitor H. Not anything else.

I might be too tired but at this time, but I don't recall and I cannot find where it is said anything about resonance of secondaries circuit. Please let me know if I missed that, I'm afraid we just assumed this, because resonance is cool.

Regards.

[Maximumgravity1]

Healthy skepticism is a good thing - but I ask you, if someone is already deluded about a subject, what is the point of trying to trip them up?  If they are already wandering around aimlessly in the dark, why bother turning out the lights???  If we were on a "right" track, and producing overunity devices, then I might be on-board with you about ERFINDER being a MIB.  Of course, assuming someone is correct just because they say so is a bit naive.  And to that point, I say use common sense.  If things start to sound wrong, then it is up to the person making the claims why their interpretation is correct. It is then also up to the person reading to discern if they are being fed a load of B.S.  For me, I don't think this bridge has come anywhere close to being crossed.  I personally am beginning to see things in a light I have never imagined.  Anyway, to each his own, and each person needs to form their own opinions.  I do tend to agree that mainstream has limited answers, especially since they can't produce these devices - all they can do is tell why such things will NEVER work.  As is the case with most things mainstream, if it is not handed down from those "creating" the stream - it is poo-pooed as incorrect hog-wash.

Anyway, back to the patent and topic at hand.  I believe things are being overcomplicated.  I do believe that things can be seen in a simplistic way.  That understanding of all these things can come about by mere deduction and reasoning.  I don't believe complex mathematical formulas have anything to do with this.  As many of these concepts have been around and observed by the ancients, I think even simple observations can bring enlightenment.

I believe one of the points of frustration - at least for me - is that when I am ready to throw the book out, and wipe the slate clean, I have no reference to turn to to find out what a particular device is, or how it operates - especially from Tesla's point of view.  If I look up how inductance or capacitance works, I get a mainstream point of view.  From this perspective, I question if starting with a working complex circuit is truly the IDEAL starting point, as it requires application of a hypothesis to "make this your own".  When we are told we are blinded my mainstream thinking, I am not sure where else to turn to to understand concepts about things I don't understand.  Unless I can find a primer written by Tesla on basic electrical concepts, or deduce from his other writings why he believes something works as it does, I  have no choice but to try to read and absorb as many of his works, opinions about his works, and commentaries as I can find, and hope that I can sift through the mess to figure out what his core beliefs are.  This of course is hard work, and takes much effort.  Some will ask if it is worth it.  I guess that is for the individual to decide.  The worst part, without extensive proof of experimentation, you will never know if you are correct.

As a whole, I believe our understanding has come a long way in 35+ pages of posts. There seems to be a general consensus of moving in the right direction.  Of course it is frustrating, and the answers can't come fast enough, but I do believe ERFINDER is right on at least one point, if it were spoon fed to us, we would dismiss it with little to no thought.  We could chalk it up to "just another opinion", find arguments to "prove" him wrong, and convince ourselves he is "just another nut-job".  But if we teach ourselves how something operates, and especially if it is against mainstream teachings, then when questioned why we believe something is so "outrageous", we are forced to take a stand on our convictions of being correct, and will not let mainstream sway us to believe anything they tell us.  It is easy to "re-convert" anyone, especially if they are working on hear-say.  If they "know" they are right, at the core of their soul, they will fight to prove to themselves (if no others) that they are correct and mainstream is incorrect.

Anyway, I believe we are over-complicating things.  I believe the basis of this circuit is quite simple.  I believe Tesla was telling the truth when he said the key to obtaining a 90? phase shift is in placing the condenser in the induced secondary circuit (L24-29).  I have a lot of beliefs about how this works.  I am not sure if I am correct, nor am I sure if I can explain them correctly enough to get my thoughts across.  I do know I have no understanding of how a condenser acts as a filter - this is one of those areas where I don't believe mainstream references will help.  So how do I pose this as a question that won't be answered directly?  I research and research some more, until I convince myself I have figured it out.  Anyway, back to the fray....