Free Solid State/mechanical energy

[allcanadian]

@charlie_V
Im not sure how many of you own a buiseness, but most days I find myself watching employees screwing up and do nothing to correct them. Because if I do this they will never understand the logic I use to succeed. So I watch them fail, and try again and only when they have run out of options do I interviene, much like erfinder. I do this because a monkey can learn "conventional" skills, people who succeed learn problem solving skills, how to work through any problem using creative solutions.

Teslas patent 464444 may look easy it always does, but the solution is not a technology problem it is a perception problem. Your not going to solve this with conventional thinking, if you could we would all have one and that is logic you cannot dispute.

So what are we missing? Personally I like everything Maximumgravity has to say and his quotes from Tesla. I have learned more than a few things and gained some understanding from the direction these quotes have led me. So it is a matter of time, we pick away until we nail this.

[barbosi]

F%#$ it people, I just couldn't sleep and when I checked back, you're active like never before.

I appreciate your efforts actually to put in words your doubts, ideas etc. but I'm up to answer the most important question I got this night (no offense for the other buddies but I have to read back tomorrow for more).  At this time the winner is Charlie:

Although I feel that it is really the magnetic field moving the rotor, there is something called electrostatic induction.

Well my man, the simplest motor ever imagined is electrostatic. Little pieces of paper attracted by glass that was previously rubbed... remember?
Or to give you credit... magnet and iron.
It starts to have a proof that electrostatic, magnetic... pretty same thing. Maxwell said it somehow with his equations, where I personally appreciated most the graphs: two fields at 90 degrees with the property to [re]generate the opposite one with the only purpose being to propagate (perpetuate). (I will always hate those equations)

And @ allcanadian,
You are so true in this last post.

I have learned more than a few things and gained some understanding from the direction these quotes have led me.

All I'm  trying to suggest all the time is: if you got inspired by some statement, share with the others. Even there is a language barrier, it worth it. That seed inspired you, might go and inspire others and idea evolves. If not, after a day or more, if not harvested, it might be lost not only for you but also for the others. Example? the last server blackout and few interesting ideas were lost. Myself I struggle to remember what I said, the reasoning as well.

Thanks for the ideas to everyone and I'll look and think over the other ideas tomorrow.

However Erfinder, don't be shy and if you feel like, send us some stuff other than encouragements.

[brnbrade]

Hi

2 links good

http://www.kz1300.com/ecklin/

http://www.mullerpower.com/index2.php

[allcanadian]

Here is something I found at http://www.tfcbooks.com/tesla/1892-02-03.htm that seems very relevant.

In a type of alternate current motor invented by me some years ago I produced rotation by inducing, by means of a single alternating current passed through a motor circuit, in the mass or other circuits of the motor, secondary currents, which, jointly with the primary or inducing current, created n moving field of force.  A simple but crude form of such a motor is obtained by winding upon an iron core a primary, and close to it a secondary coil, joining the ends of the latter and placing a freely movable metal disc within the influence of the field produced by both.  The iron core is employed for obvious reasons, but it is not essential to the operation.  To improve the motor, the iron core is made to encircle the armature.  Again to improve, the secondary coil is made to overlap partly the primary, so that it cannot free itself from a strong inductive action of the latter, repel its lines as it may.  Once more to improve, the proper difference of phase is obtained between the primary and secondary currents by a condenser, self-induction, resistance or equivalent windings.

I had discovered, however, that rotation is produced by means of a single coil and cote; my explanation of the phenomenon, and leading thought in trying the experiment, being that there must be a true time lag in the magnetization of the core.  I remember the pleasure I had when, in the writings of Professor Ayrton, which came later to my hand, I found the idea of the time lag advocated.  Whether there is a true time lag, whether the retardation is due to eddy currents circulating in minute paths, must remain an open question, but the fact is that a coil wound upon an iron core and traversed by an alternating current creates a moving field of force, capable of setting an armature: in rotation- It is of some interest, in conjunction with the historical Arago experiment, to mention that in lag or phase motors I have produced rotation in the opposite direction to the moving field, which means that in that experiment the magnet may not rotate, or may even rotate in the opposite direction to the moving disc.  Here, then, is a motor (diagrammatically illustrated in Fig. 17), comprising a coil and iron core, and a freely movable copper disc in proximity to the latter.
To demonstrate a novel and interesting feature, I have, for a reason which I will explain, selected this type of motor.  When the ends of the coil are connected to the terminals of an alternator the disc is set in rotation.  But it is not this experiment, now well known, which I desire to perform.  What I wish to show you is that this motor rotates with one single connection between it and the generator; that is to say, one terminal of the motor is connected to one terminal of the generator?in this case the secondary of a high-tension induction coil?the other terminals of motor and generator being insulated in space.  To produce rotation it is generally (but not absolutely) necessary to connect the free end of the motor coil to an insulated body of some size.  The experimenter's body is more than sufficient.  If he touches the free terminal with an object held in the hand, a current passes through the coil and the copper disc is set in rotation.  If an exhausted tube is put in series with the coil, the tube lights brilliantly, showing the passage of a strong current.  Instead of the experimenter's body, a small metal sheet suspended on a cord may be used with the same result.  In this case the plate acts as a condenser in series with the coil.  It counteracts the self-induction of the latter and allows a strong current to pass.  In such a combination, the greater the self-induction of the coil the smaller need be the plate, and this means that a lower frequency, or eventually a lower potential, is required to operate the motor.  A single coil wound upon a core has a high self-induction; for this reason principally, this type of motor was chosen to perform the experiment.  Were a secondary closed coil wound upon the core, it would tend to diminish the self-induction, and then it would be necessary to employ a much higher frequency and potential.   Neither would be advisable, for a higher potential would endanger the insulation of the small primary coil, and a higher frequency would result in a materially diminished torque.

It should be remarked that when such a motor with a closed secondary is used, it is not at all easy to obtain rotation with excessive frequencies, as the secondary cuts off almost completely the lines of the primary?and this, of course, the more, the higher the frequency?and allows the passage of but a minute current.  In such a case, unless the secondary is closed through a condenser, it is almost essential, in order to produce rotation, to make the primary and secondary coils overlap each other more or less.

But there is an additional feature of interest about this motor, namely, it is not necessary to have even a single connection between the motor and generator, except, perhaps, through the ground; for not only is an insulated plate capable of giving off energy into space, but it likewise capable of deriving it from an alternating electrostatic field, though in the latter case the available energy is much smaller.  In this instance one of the motor terminals is connected to the insulated plate or body located within the alternating electrostatic field, and the other terminal preferably to the ground.

[Maximumgravity1]

So if I understand correctly:

A Condenser provides resistance, and produces impedence to filter alternating electrostatic fields.

Now let me think on that today and see if I can figure out what that means....