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Free Solid State/mechanical energy

Started by KSW, April 13, 2005, 06:59:25 PM

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orosado

Hello Charlie_V,

I couldn't of said it better myself. I thought about the matching weight being due to the similar number of atoms to vibrate in conjunction. And regarding the 144 inches being an Octave of the light, simply brilliant!

Let's hope Erfinder can confirm this...

Sincerely,
Omar Rosado


Quote from: Charlie_V on February 19, 2007, 08:58:22 PM
Erfinder,

When you say "ignition coil", I imagine you mean the basic design of the ignition coil; a single layer coil wrapped around some sort of soft iron - like a Tesla coil with a core.  I say this because if you used a commercial ignition coil, you would have a lot longer wire than 144 inches.  I am very curious about the 144 inch secondary and the primary of equal weight but larger diameter.   

I have figured out why you are using a 24 pole switch (I think).  If you use 144 inches for each secondary coil, and connect them in series, you will have 576 inch wire total.  The square root of 576" is 24 - thus the 24 poles. 

Hrmmm, I think I might be starting to understand this a little better.  I remember reading in a book that Lord Kelvin related Tesla's magnifying transformer to an electrical musical instrument after Tesla explained to him how it worked.  What you seem to be saying is that the magnetic field resonants at a particular frequency that is an OCTAVE of the speed of light.  The length of coil is important because it makes an antenna-like connection to the radiating magnetic field of the permanent magnets.  However, instead of trying to match the length to the actual frequency of light, you match it to an octave (maybe all magnetic fields are simply octaves of light).  Thus, the wire is 144 inches instead of miles.  I still haven't figured out why the primary must be roughly the same physical mass - maybe because there needs to be roughly the same amount of atoms in both coils?

If I'm getting warmer let me know haha!

PS in your first post you said that the primary had to be 144 inches long, and in this more recent one you say the secondary has to be 144 inches long... I think your first post is a typo, but correct this if I'm wrong.

barbosi

I could see the idea about mass. Another way to *feel* it, is also the law of energy conservation (please don't boo yet).
E1=m1*c^2
E2=m2*c^2
So for an optimum transfer: m1=m2.

However, I still don't have a grasp of how an Octave is defined here.
The traditional way, adoptet in music too, is in relation of 2, not of 3.
Example:
The note A4 (La for others) is 440Hz, while A3 on lower Octave is 220Hz. That based on Middle C being C4.

Related to light wavelenght, not sure what color... Usually the value range from 400 to 700nm.

There must be something else I'm missing here.

Regards.
When the Power of Love overcomes the Love of Power, there will be peace.

Grumpy

Quote from Erfinder (which means "Inventor" in German)

QuoteWow, still no response.....interesting.......


Wire sizes, and their relationships can be understood by dissecting an auto ignition coil (albeit this is limited, because the designers of these apparatus don't take heed to what Tesla said about weight).  I do realize that in this example the secondary winding is small, but here scaling is an  option.  The sky's the limit.

For fun use a primary winding length of 144 inches, secondary length is irrelevant so long as the weight of the secondaries (individually) equal the weight of the primary.   I have not constrained myself to any specifics when it comes to wire sizes and neither should anyone else. 

Start with a 24 pole switch.  Once you build and work with the circuit you will begin to understand that there is a relationship between the number of poles and primary winding length!  Stick with the wire length of 144, and harmonics  of this number! 

The circuit was drawn the way it was so that it could be seen how one part of the system is related and interdependent on another.  What should be observed is how the fields are built up and how they collapse, and where they go when they do! !!!Collapse!!!  This circuit is of a motor, the rotary switch should be mounted on the same shaft as the magnet ring.  The magnet ring is a mystery in itself, as their is no magnetic field being radiated from it .

Even though no questions or comments have been made, hold them (the questions) until after you have done what has been suggested.  I say it like this because once you have  built it, all your questions will anwser themselves.

The quest for overunity is a DEAD END.  True Unity is the goal, systems where you take nothing you just use the flow!  Riding the on the waves (fields) of nature!!!   


Study the patents, study the diagram, and above all have fun, you have nothing to lose and everything to gain!!!

Primary is 144" based on 22.5mm per inch.  This is 127.56" when converted.

144 x 22.5 = 3240 / 360 = 9 = 3 squared - not sure if this means anything...

(BTW - Dr. Stefan Marinov built a motor that has a similar closed magnetic loop.  Few papers about it are on the web.)

Erfinder,

Having trouble finding the magnetic arc segments with magnetic poles in direction of circumference (or curvature).  Motor magnets are inside to outside.  To close the flux path, I need the poles in line with the curve.  I found some curved ones that Unimag sells with their kits.  Pole orientation appears corect, but may have several poles together inside.  I can make a ring via the Edward Leedskalnin method that will contain the flux forever - using coils temporarily energized and then disconnected - will try the 144" if I take this route.  I know this is not within the realm of your instructions.
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Charlie_V

I've arranged normal, square, axially magnetized, magnets in a closed loop (non-leaking) setup like Erfinder is talking about.  You do not need specially bought magnets.  You take the square magnets and place smaller magnets at the edges on one side, between them such that they arc - you will need tape.  Refer to the picture I've posted.  This will form a closed magnetic loop when complete. 

I slightly disagree with some of Erfinder's theories.  If a unity or over-unity device is to be made, it will involve magnetic field manipulation - instead of no field at all.  The reason for this is not complex, a magnetic field is very similar to a fly wheel.  They are both devices that store kinetic energy.  The most important difference is that when a fly wheel's energy is used to do work, the kinetic energy is lost.  However, in a permanent magnet, the kinetic energy is not lost.  I have discovered that by proper manipulation of the fields, it is possible to create movements against gravity that do not follow E=mgh.  It is also possible to manifest electricity directly without the hindering effects of back EMF.  I would like to post how to do this at some point, but I am still experimenting and will refrain until I've verified my methods fully work (no hidden pitfalls).

This is what I've come to realize at this point:

The universe is held together by energy in two forms, kinetic and potential.  Since the universe is isolated, the energy will cycle back and forth between these two forms, without loss - like a perfect pendulum.  Storing potential will not work since this energy is not shared - it is only given or taken.  However, kinetic energy is shared, it is what transfers the potential, it is the giver or taker - not that which is given.  We do not see this sharing when dealing with masses because mass IS potential.  If you move an object, the stored potential (mass) is not used.  Thus, it appears that energy is conserved - and it will be since this is not the energy of the object but the energy imparted on it - we have balance, described by present-day science.  Nuclear reactors, on the other hand, DO use this stored potential - which is why you get over-unity (of sorts), you put a little bit of energy into the system and produce a larger amount out (i.e. over-unity). 

A magnetic field is much different.  Here we have the energy in a true kinetic form.  There exists no potential.  We can see this through simple magnetic induction.  Place a coil in a magnetic field and the coil will share the magnet's kinetic energy level.  Now if you try to move the coil or magnet, you will be changing the shared kinetic energy.  When the kinetic energy of a system changes, it is converted to potential.  Thus, we see an induced voltage - charges moved to generate a potential energy.  If you place a load on the coil, it will use that potential.  When a potential energy is used (i.e. changed) it is converted to kinetic.  Current in the coil is kinetic energy, but NOT the kinetic energy of the magnet!  There must be balance.  Therefore, the magnetic field of the coil will oppose that of the magnet by either pushing or pulling.  This effect is what we call back EMF or back torque and is nature's attempt to remain at the initial kinetic energy level.  This, to my knowledge, cannot be avoided. 

However, do recall that in the nuclear case, it was possible to place some energy into system and produce more than what was put in.  I believe this can be accomplished in the magnetic case as well - with no environmental impact.  The trick is finding a way to greatly alter the magnet's kinetic energy field with the smallest amount of applied energy.

I am not trying to discredit Erfinder, I'm just trying to say there are many ways a blind man can describe an orange, neither way is wrong yet none will be completely right - that goes toward my own observations as well. 

Grumpy

Erfinder is right on the money.

The resulting field, which will usually penetrate all materials (actually it can be trapped and you get some sort of wierd non-radiating result) will be lobed due to the bloch walls of the magnet segments.  The coils at 90 degrees will cause this field to twist.  I am guessing that a true rotation of this field will not occur, but I am not sure at this point.  On second thought, it will rotate.  Anyway, this field has "momentum" characteristics and has been linked to gravity, yet its functionality still escapes modern physics.  I need to build it to complete my understanding of it.  Anything else is just a guess.

Magnetic field is a standing closed field.  This is the wrong "harmonic" as Erfinder would put it.  All magnets have a frequency, but I do not know how to determine this.  It is very limited compared to the field that Erfinder is talking about.  there are actaully two potentials at right angles to each other.  In particular terms of Einstein, one potential represents time and the other is space, but the time one has ben shown to exist without the space one - therefore the time one is considered primary.  The space potential will be in the center of the rotor and wrap around the ring.  The time one will be all around the ring and perpendicular to the axis.  I am not positive which one he is stimulating - perhaps both.

Charlie - Kinetic is secondary to the potential that creates it.  There exists only the potentials.

You must have potential of male and female to have a flow. (work of Walter Russell)

You can use the potentials to create a region of high vacuum or pressure.  Ion pumps are used to create extremely high vacuum.

I believe that 4 magnetic segments are required for the given arrangement - not that variations would not work - but you would need to know the concepts well to adjust the system.

Will take a little time to put this together.
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