Why is overunity that hard to achieve?

[zogorean]

Hi all.

I'm trying to understand why overunity is so hard to achieve, or better yet what the problems in achieving overunity are? I've built 2 Bedini motors, one SSG and a window motor. Since I am a newb at electronics, I experiment with the same question over and over again: "what if I did this, would this give me the right combination?".

I know that there are some laws against creating free energy, like the conservation of energy etc, but I've read somewhere that Bedinis motors violate/bend this, due to the fact that they utilize flyback EMF, and this is a change in the system, so that it does not follow the law of conservation of energy.

But what if I were to build a window motor, that has nice torgue and connect something like the coil setup of a VAWT (vertical axis wind turbine) on it. I know that the watt output of the coil setup depends on the speed of the shaft, windings, wire gauge etc, but what if I were to connect 2-3 even 10 such coil setups on my window motor, all in parallel. Would Lenz's law be the limiting factor when I try to utilize that output? What if I were to connect 2-3 or even 10 Muller dynamos on it, virtually disabling Lenz?

I have seen a few people that claim to have built a selfrunning Bedini motor. Wow, I mean this must conclude that a device exists that can power itself and stay running forever (not counting tear and wear). So if such a device exists (and is mechanical hence it has a shaft), why not hook up a geny on it and let it do some work? Or is this the same paradox with the Lenz's law that when a geny is hooked up to the selfrunner, it takes more energy to run the geny and we're back to our starting point?

Hope someone can answer me these newb questions.

[Newton II]

Before building a ovreunity  device  which  violates conservation law, you have to first analyze what  makes  energy to be conserved in any given machine.
Of course in any electrical machine like generator, motor or transformer,  it is the lenz's  current which forces conservation of energy by producing a field opposite to applied variation of field.    You cannot eliminate this lenz's  current because  in generators and transformers this lenz's current itself is taken as output.  So if you eliminate  this lenz's current, you will not get any output at all. 

But you can eliminate the force caused  by lenz's current  in a generator  by  suitable mechanical methods.  Once you eliminate the force caused by lenz's current  on the rotor of a generator , it  exerts lesser torque on the motor  thereby reducing  input power to the motor.    With that you can get high output in the form of lenz's current with very  less power input to the motor.

You can eliminate force caused by lenz's current by suitably using  springs, dashpots or the principle of mechanical resonance.

[baroutologos]

Simply you cannot. Not with "smart" yet simple methods.


If this is to come true, i am conviced, sophisticated high tech materials / procedures should be employed, just not (widely?) available yet.


But, what do i know?

[Madeo]

Try reading Tesla , Tom Bearden, and Joseph Newman. It might help you see things in a different perspective.

[TinselKoala]

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I have seen a few people that claim to have built a selfrunning Bedini motor. Wow, I mean this must conclude that a device exists that can power itself and stay running forever (not counting tear and wear). So if such a device exists (and is mechanical hence it has a shaft), why not hook up a geny on it and let it do some work? Or is this the same paradox with the Lenz's law that when a geny is hooked up to the selfrunner, it takes more energy to run the geny and we're back to our starting point?

Hope someone can answer me these newb questions.

There is the problem right there. There are _claims_ that are made that turn out to be, for one reason or another, wrong. There are NO selfrunning Bedini motors, anywhere on Earth. That's why you can't hook up a generator to one and let it do some work. Sure, IF pigs had wings they could fly. But they don't -- for solid technical reasons, just as there are solid technical reasons why Bedini motors aren't ever going to be OU.

It's no paradox that it takes more energy to turn a generator than it does "not to" turn one. The "paradox" comes when people make their measurements (naively) and their numbers tell them that they should be able to see overunity ... but then they can't. Of course they don't suspect their measurements or techniques of being faulty.... they've read Newman, Bearden and Tesla after all. So why, oh why, can't they extract usable energy from their systems without needing batteries or a grid connection? I mean, Bearden does it every day, runs his entire neighborhood on the energy surrounding his wiring, right? Oh...no.... wait...... he doesn't.