Magnet Motor that works

[Gwandau]

This is not just idle speculation but a mathematically provable fact based on the nature of magnetic fields.

WOW!  Do you know the nature of magnetic fields? That is absolutely fantastic! Then you are the only person on earth who actually know the source dynamics of magnetism.

Please share it with us!

There are too many wild guesses today about the electron spin being the active source, which we all know of course is nothing but wild assumptions based solely upon the observation of the relationship between the directional spin of electrons in the crystal lattice and the magnetic polarity, which actually only indicates the relationship. As all of us schooled in the scientific community know, this is not by far any proof that validates such a theory.

So please share with us the secret about the source dynamics of magnetism. I can't barely wait. 

Gwandau

[Gwandau]

Hi Gianna,

Irrespective of what magnetism actually is...(whether that be electron spin or whatever) we can characterise the nature of the effects manifested by it.

Wrong, we can only characterize the nature of the known effects manifested by observation attained from our present limited angle of underdstanding.
We still don't know if magnetism consists of a wave that propagates, we don't even know if there is a field in such way as we theorize it.

This absolute lack of knowledge of the source dynamics of magnetism in relation to time space and matter makes us lack mandate to decide whether the magnetic field is conservative or not.

Today it might seem like it is a conservative field, tomorrow new insights may open novel paths of understanding, discarding all the old stuff as premature conclusions based upon wrongly interpreted observations. As long as mankinds mandate in this regard consists of mere observation and no underlying understanding whatsoever, saying magnetism is conservative is by default more talking than walking.


Maybe you are right, nobody knows, but personally I prefer to keep my mind open.


There are still so many possibilities awaiting in regard to magnetism when dealing with future room temperature superconductors and genuine shielding techniques, and so forth. Why hurry into premature conclusions when this area still is a white spot on the map?

Personally I regard magnets as not even being the source of the magnetic effect, but merely acting as "lenses" refracting the very space around them,
but since I have come to learn the nature of your mindset, I won't occupy you with such "nonsense".


But one thing is for sure, on this planet The Age of Magnetism is still to come.


Gwandau

[hoptoad]

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There are too many wild guesses today about the electron spin being the active source ...
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Gwandau

There is still much debate as to the true source of magnetism. While one faction of science favours the idea of electron spin as being the source of magnetism, another favours the neutron as being the source of it. Interestingly enough, both ideas have a multitude of evidence to back them up. And both ideas also appear to have gaps in their relationship between observation and their favoured theory.

Rather than only one of the above ideas being right, it could well be the case that magnetism is a product of more than one interacting force or particle. It may also be possible that both ideas are incorrect and that the observations we make are only observations which indicate how magnetism interacts with and affects the neutron and electron.

Like our understanding of gravity, there still appears to be many gaps in our understanding of magnetism.

Cheers

[MileHigh]

Gwandu:

Wrong, we can only characterize the nature of the known effects manifested by observation attained from our present limited angle of underdstanding.

I am assuming, and you can correct me if I am wrong, that you too have a present limited angle of understanding.  Did you ever sit in a physics or electromagnetics class and go over some simple derivations of Maxwell's equations?  One of the simplified ones is that when you do a closed line integral of the force on a hypothetical magnetic monopole in the presence of an unchanging magnetic field, the closed line integral always gives a zero result.  So you can take any meandering path and go in any direction, but when you come back to where you started, the net resulting work you have to do to take your meandering path is zero.

What is a simplified example of this in real life?   There is a big bar magnet on your bench.   You are holding a small bar magnet in your hand.  You push the hand-held magnet close to the bar magnet.  Then as you move the hand-held magnet back to your starting position you feel the magnet push back on your hand.  The net work you end up doing is zero.  When you brought the magnet closer, you did positive work.  The energy you expended is now stored inside the hand-held magnet and the bar magnet and their associated deformed fields.  The axes of the magnetic dipoles of the individual iron atoms are all slightly deflected from their normal orientation.  In effect, each iron atom is like a little mechanical spring that has been compressed slightly.  The deflected atoms and the deflected fields act like perfect, frictionless mechanical springs.  When your hand moves back to the starting position, all the little stressed magnetic dipoles and the stressed magnetic fields will push back and go to their resting position.  That represents you doing negative work.  That stored energy is converted into the line integral of the (force x displacement) on your hand as it moves back to the starting position.  The positive work plus the negative work equals zero net work done.

You do the same test on rotors and the little force vector that you integrate on as the rotor passes the stator becomes trickier because it wiggles, but it's still the same thing.  Remember, you can take any closed path and when you get back to where you started from the net energy expenditure will be zero.

Anyway, check out the action on PESN for the upcoming Yildiz demo for another alleged magnet motor.  There is a lot of talk about upcoming testing at the Geneva Expo and it's very interesting.

MileHigh

[scratchrobot]

Personally I regard magnets as not even being the source of the magnetic effect, but merely acting as "lenses" refracting the very space around them,
but since I have come to learn the nature of your mindset, I won't occupy you with such "nonsense".

Gwandau

Never thought about magnets acting as "lenses", but sounds reasonable 

Regards