Big try at gravity wheel

[MarkE]

  Hi,
      mrwayne is naive in the extreme when it comes to the real world.Last week I was
   using a 15kw water pump to flush my sewage treatment plant  and the volume of
   water it was shifting was quite amazing. There's no way you could get a flow like
   that through a see- sawing ZED unless it was gigantic and even then there would
   be massive problems with inertia if you tried for many cycles per minute.
      To get a bit of an idea about flow and pressure I was talking to my brother
   yesterday, he does pipelines, and he said that some of the 120cm mains run at
   a staggering 85 bar.
      I believe that if you could get a ZED to work, by some means, you'd end up with
   a 30 ton phone charger.
                                         John

Moving weights around is one of the least energy dense way that one can store energy.  An ordinary AA alkaline battery holds about 3.4Wh energy, or roughly 12kJ.  In order to get the same energy lifting weights, one has to lift ~1200kg * m  or ~8900lb * ft.  An iPhone battery requires about 14,000 lb*ft raised weight equivalent per full charge.

[TinselKoala]

No, minnie. Travis is far from naive. He is condescending, arrogant, Messianic, but he is not naive. He's actually a very sophisticated judge of character and motivation, as all good conmen must be.

He presumes to trade upon the naivete of his audience, though. Years have gone by and Travis has never yet presented any real data that support his contentions. He has failed over and over to "meet expectations" and he failed to convince Mark Dansie, who made two site visits and was promised another that apparently never came off.

The reason that Travis cannot demonstrate even a small model system that produces solid data in support of his claims... is simply that his claims with respect to "self running" and providing more energy out than in, no input no exhaust, are false. Unfortunately for him "his physics, simple and clear" is no different from the real physics found in the usual textbooks.

How much flow, and at what pressure, must hydraulic fluid be supplied to an ordinary hydraulic motor, turning an ordinary wind-farm alternator, to have an electrical output of 20 kW? (For those are the components Travis illustrates in his photographs of the huge groaning device Dansie saw.)  I know, and you know...  but Travis has never explained where this pressure and flow is to come from in his "zed" power plant, nor how sloshing some water back and forth is supposed to provide the necessary flow and pressure in the hydraulic fluid.

[MarkE]

Wasn't the demonstration to be for 48 hours?
20kW = 2,040kg*m/s.
20kW * 3600s/h * 48h = 3.46GJ.
Total net mass*distance that would have to be lifted in that time:  353E6 kg*m.

At 20kW if the machine teetered and tottered by one meter each way every 10s, then:  the net mass that would have to be dropped each cycle would be 10,000kg.

[minnie]

   Koala,
            you're coming out with some lovely words. Kludge takes some beating!
                                John.

[MileHigh]

About two years ago I repeatedly asked Mr. Wayne what the power output from his system demoed in his clips was.  I also repeatedly asked him what form the power output took.  He repeatedly ignored me.  It's ridiculous, here you have a dude claiming that he has a free energy machine and he is unable or refuses to state what the power output is!  I don't think a single participant in the thread at that time backed me up.

Mr. Wayne often talked in terms of "excess fluid ounces" per cycle, which was meaningless.

Then you have the case of Webby struggling to understand what is going on in a discussion with MarkE.  It's a continuous struggle to get him to understand that you have to talk about energy per cycle and not pressure, etc.  Roll back the clock two years and Webby makes a Tupperware nested Russian Doll experiment that proves nothing.  What does Mr. Wayne do?  He congratulates Webby on his "success" and throws two thousand dollars at him.

Why did Mr. Wayne do it when Webby accomplished nothing?  What was in Mr. Wayne's interest?  My best guess is so that he could use the event as part of his pitch:  "Yes Mr. Investor, I was working with a researcher on an Internet forum and he proved my concept and he won an award of $2000 for replicating the effect."  So the whole thing was possibly just a farce, a free money give-away so that Mr. Brain could claim that Tupperware Russian Dolls are the real thing to gullible investors with real money.  It was a small investment that he could leverage by telling the same story over and over until he hit the right person that took out his check book and signed away some money.

Then Mr. Brain comes back today and tries to pretend that some very smart people "don't get it" which is just a cheap attempt at sending out a subliminal signal that the thing really works.  In other words, the same MO as Red_Sunset.  Brainwashing for Dummies in soft cover for mushy brains.

Then we have the "sermon from the mount" deliverd by Brother Wayne.  You can't possibly doubt that it's real if you get that quasi religious buzz all in the name of the Almighty Dollar, can you?

Hopefully, if any susceptible investors are reading this thread, they will "come back to the light of reason" and see things how they really are.  Things are not pretty and Mr. Wayne's Brain will never ever deliver a working system, you can be sure of that.

MileHigh