Big try at gravity wheel

[minnie]

  Webby,
              what I meant was, if you've got identical cylinders you've got to have
  OU from the first stroke, otherwise your pre-charge will just slowly run down.
                            John.

[MarkE]

To start with, this is NOT OU.  This is a step and there are 2 more after this.

Start with the cylinder in state2 with all of the volume under the cylinder filled with as much air as can be stuffed into it.

How much energy it takes to do this does not matter at all, it is like filling your tires with air, you do not need to add any more air into your tire just because you rolled a few feet down the road,, it is an environmental component.

I use a straight transfer pump connected between the top of the 2 cylinders, a transfer pump is a sealed chamber with a piston in it so that when the piston is on one side the other side has enough volume to hold the medium of one unit, then when slid over to the other side it pushes that volume out and into the unit it is connected to and at the same time will pull in the medium from the unit connected to the other side of the pump. simple.

You can figure out the weight that the cylinder can lift at full fill, place this weight on the starting condition cylinder and transfer the potential from the state2 cylinder into the starting condition cylinder, this is the cost of cycle.

I come up with an 83 percent efficient transfer this way and a 33 percent efficient transfer for an open cylinder, that is no filler.

Webby, I am happy to set up whatever you want but it would be helpful for you to describe what it is in more detail so that we do not have to keep going back and forth. 

I have attached a new drawing that represents what I think you are describing.

Where do you intend to place a payload and when?  I hope that you understand that in order to get all of the "air" from the "B" cylinder on the right to the the "A" cylinder on the left we will have to add even more energy than we put in filling the "B" cylinder.  If we just open a valve through the transfer pump after filling the "B" cylinder, then "air" will transfer until the pressures equalize between "A" and "B". 

As to Video #5 the video shows additional work was applied in order to get from one state to another for each of the cups. It did not account the initial work, nor did it complete a cycle.  It was as silly as releasing a cocked spring and saying: "See free energy!".  Tom Miller's representation that the cup with the cement insert represented anything other than Archimedes' Principle in action was a bald faced lie.

In order to perform an energy balance we need all four values for a complete cycle:  Energy at start, energy added, energy removed, and energy at the end.

[MarkE]

MarkE,

At this point the payload will be placed on A, the system allowed to communicate the potential from B into A and then the additional energy required to complete the transfer and subsequent change in height of A.

This sets the cost of cycle and sets the output value.

This is where I come up with an 83 percent efficiency.

I also come up with a 33 percent efficiency for an open cylinder doing the same thing.

Webby, please specify the payload you would like to lift:  Mass and SG. 

[Marsing]

  Webby,
              what I meant was, if you've got identical cylinders you've got to have
  OU from the first stroke, otherwise your pre-charge will just slowly run down.
                            John.

how can you come to that conclusion minnie ?  seem you know a whole process

[Marsing]

...................... there are four new photos.....................................

any  LINK  for the Photos?