Big try at gravity wheel

[TinselKoala]

Indeed Tk,, but then your test setup is so far away from the run setup information that we all were provided with that some might of just thought you were trying to ridicule the whole thing.

I think that it is indeed nifty, and IIRC I commented on that, that even setup up wrong it still assisted your pump in the beginning.

How is it "different"? How is it set up "wrong"?  It incorporates a floating sealed pod, inner and outer ringwalls which make chambers of different internal pressures, and so forth. It needs to be "precharged" just right to work properly. Just because it's a single-layer ZED and only "cycles" once.... so what? It still incorporates the _exact principle_ that some people have called the "Travis Effect" and it shows the lever-action "benefit". Force is increased. Unfortunately work is not. Just as in Travis's own models.

And of course I'm ridiculing the whole thing. It is called "reductio ad absurdum". If you believe that Travis's items are OU, then you must also believe that my PerPump v. 2.0 is also OU, since it demonstrates the same fundamental principles in the same manner.... except it works as I have described it, whereas Wayne's systems don't work as he describes them.... if at all.

[TinselKoala]

Hi Webby,
            tried a few experiments and a float behaves just as expected, it experiences
gravity just like anything else.
    Try this, put open top container on scales, put water in and dip a finger in, watch
the weight increase!
                 John .

That's right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iijUjtkV-E

Remember this PowerPoint presentation (linked below)? This was presented to a group of prospective investors several years ago. Note that in this PPT, Travis has a "three month plan" to install a 50 kW generating unit, with no input and no exhaust, at his Church. The investors were there in person to bask in Wayne's personality, they saw everything he had to show..... and yet not a single one "bit" and made an investment. There is no power plant at any church, today. Why not, if Travis is telling the truth?

https://www.sugarsync.com/pf/D8689161_65379893_837552

Note especially Slide 26 in the ppt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3doy-eyZew

[Red_Sunset]

Hi Webby,
            tried a few experiments and a float behaves just as expected, it experiences
gravity just like anything else.
    Try this, put open top container on scales, put water in and dip a finger in, watch
the weight increase!
                 John . 

Hi John,
How much is the increase ?
Red_Sunset

[minnie]

Hi Sunset,
            Archimedes gives us the answer!
                                         John.
   I could mark my finger and cut it off at the level and weigh it?

[Red_Sunset]

........................................................ Why not, if Travis is telling the truth?
........................................... 

TinselKoala,
There are several possibilities I can guess at,

1..   Optimization development to come within range of commercial viability (add-on components).
2..   Project /setup delays
3..   Business venture support
4..   We can never rule out a potential flaw  (Theory can not always neatly account for losses in the system)

I need to agree that a "proof of concept" mini system would go a long way to make a statement (even it it did light only a Christmas tree last Dec).

Red_Sunset