Big try at gravity wheel

[Red_Sunset]

Red_Sunset, the missing piece is unfortunately the free power source that Wayne Travis promised and continues to promise.  The ZED is an energy storage device.  It is not an energy creation device.  The only energy that can be extracted from a ZED is the energy put into it in the first place loading and charging it.  Try as they might for years, HER have not been able break even, much less deliver a surplus.

MarkE,
I am sympathetic with your OPINIONS, but without a more specific and intelligent technical description/assessment on where Wayne made the wrong conclusion or interpretation in the working process of the system,  the sticker doesn't stick, sorry mate,.
I have some conclusions of my own that I am quite doubtful about but without physically verifying it on a working system...it stays what it is 50/50.   I did crosscheck these items with Wayne and I was assured, but that still keeps it at 50/50.
What was important or worthwhile, so to speak was not the hydro system but the principle used towards playing with Nature with a crooked hand. The method by using known physics rules to get around it limitations towards OU.  It is clever!
It provided a complete new way of looking at the problem.

Your opinion does not help me, although a more precise detail that gave rise to that opinion would
Without it, we would always talk past each other.

Red_Sunset

[mondrasek]

The Heron's Fountain with active TinselZED produced a greater flow rate with higher head pressure than the same fountain with the TZED removed... but for a shorter time. As far as I could tell, the TZED operates like a "pressure lever" system that amplifies force at the expense of distance, or in this case volume.

TK, please understand that I have no interest in the motivations behind whatever Wayne Travis might be doing in this post.  What I have is a very strong interest in what you showed in the TinselZED experiment.  If we confine my questions to that demonstration for the time being:

"The TinselZED produced a greater flow rate with higher head pressure than the same fountain with the TZED removed... but for a shorter time".  How are you defining "a shorter time?"  If it produced greater flow rate with higher head pressure and thus completed it's demonstration in less time that the control, isn't that good?  I mean, higher pressure, greater flow rate, in less time...  these are all gains, right?

If you are including the portion of the experiment where the TZED was running  _after_the_ZED_section_had_achieved_its_maximum_travel_  as part of the "timed" portion, I have to ask, "Why?"  The HER ZED system _only_ runs in ZED mode, so comparing any portion of the TZED where the ZED is not active appears to be mixing non-ZED performance that (no pun intended) waters down the superior ZED performance portion of the demonstration.

Your demonstration shows clearly that the ZED results in higher pressure and greater flow rate.  If you can clear up my time question maybe I can understand your point.  But if time is irrelevant in this demonstration (my position at the moment), then don't we need some other negative to balance out the two positives (higher pressure and greater flow rate)?

Thanks in advance for your consideration, and again for the wonderful TZED build and demo!

M.

[powercat]

Conrad,
The world is never just black & white
Always try to see it in a bigger context.
Wayne didn't come to this forum to give away his invention, I believe he was still looking for a missing piece in his puzzle.
Nobody is gonna dish-up a golden nugget here.
Maybe you could pick-up something and turn it into a golden nugget.
That is the opportunity.
That people can be played is just as much fault of the people as it is of the player
Red_Sunset

You're talking such BS, he can't give away any golden nuggets of information because he hasn't got any, that's why he just keeps on talking and talking, and never has his device verified, nor is he's capable of showing a continuous running model, he could at least show a continuous running model without so called disclosure of golden nuggets. BUT NO

The best he can do is pay someone $2000 to agree with his theories and pretend they achieve OU, interesting how that person having achieved this remarkable goal, has completely failed in all this time to produce a working model or have his original model verified by anyone credible, it is obvious to most people that there is nothing credible about Wayne Travis, he came on this site to gain support and investors, he is a conman.

[MarkE]

MarkE,
I am sympathetic with your OPINIONS, but without a more specific and intelligent technical description/assessment on where Wayne made the wrong conclusion or interpretation in the working process of the system,  the sticker doesn't stick, sorry mate,.
I have some conclusions of my own that I am quite doubtful about but without physically verifying it on a working system...it stays what it is 50/50.   I did crosscheck these items with Wayne and I was assured, but that still keeps it at 50/50.
What was important or worthwhile, so to speak was not the hydro system but the principle used towards playing with Nature with a crooked hand. The method by using known physics rules to get around it limitations towards OU.  It is clever!
It provided a complete new way of looking at the problem.

Your opinion does not help me, although a more precise detail that gave rise to that opinion would
Without it, we would always talk past each other.

Red_Sunset

Red_Sunset contrary to mountains of evidence that gravity is conservative and therefore their claims are not possible, Wayne Travis and HER have come to the table without evidence.  If you think that gives them a 50% chance of being right, then bully for you and your opinion.

Neither Wayne Travis, nor anyone at HER, nor you have ever expressed a: "principle used towards playing with Nature with a crooked hand".   I have asked you over and over again what supposed principle HER have ever expressed.  As you may recall, you "closed your case" without either stating or linking to any such statement of principle.  That raises the question just what it is that you refer to when you say things such as:  "It is clever!", when you, like Wayne Travis steadfastly refuse to state what "it" is.  How can you know that something is clever if you don't know what it is or what it does?

[MileHigh]

the principle used towards playing with Nature with a crooked hand. The method by using known physics rules to get around it limitations towards OU.  It is clever!
It provided a complete new way of looking at the problem.

Right on, Mark.  There is often the attempt to 'slip in' unfounded statements in a longer posting.  It's an attempt to create the illusion that there is something there when it's not there.

MileHigh